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5 min readWave's CEO Alex Kendall returned to discuss how the company has advanced its contrarian technical and commercial strategy for bringing scalable self-driving systems to market. The conversation centers on Wave's use of end-to-end learned world models, its decision to license rather than own hardware or operate fleets, and the shift from scientific risk to engineering and deployment execution.
Technical Foundations and Model Development
Wave built world models years before they became standard in robotics. These models serve dual purposes: they create rich internal representations of driving scenes by learning to predict future states from actions, and they function as controllable simulators for training and validation. The approach favors generalization across environments over optimization in narrow domains, which Kendall credits for the company's ability to handle diverse sensor suites, weather, and geographies without bespoke hardware.
Between successive generations, Wave scaled parameter counts, data volume, and algorithmic controls. The models now ingest camera, radar, and lidar inputs from multiple partners and support promptable simulation for safety-critical edge cases. Kendall notes that this unified stack removes the need to maintain separate systems for different autonomy levels or vehicle types.
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What you'll learn
- 1 (01:18) **Episode intro and Wave return** - Alex Kendall rejoins to discuss Wave's recent progress in self-driving since late 2024
- 2 (02:06) **Wave's early world model work** - Origins of the approach in 2017 and how it positioned the company
- 3 (03:28) **What a world model is** - Core definition as a predictive simulator for driving policies and validation
- 4 (06:19) **Evolution of Wave's Gaia models** - Scaling parameters, data, and multi-sensor support across generations
- 5 (08:10) **Sensor flexibility strategy** - Wave's intelligence layer works across camera-only to full sensor suites
- 6 (11:13) **Current state of self-driving economics** - Not yet solved at global scale despite tech progress
- 7 (11:49) **Wave deployment roadmap** - Supervised robotaxi trials in 2025 across London, Tokyo and other cities; consumer vehicles via OEMs from 2026
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Show Notes
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Self-driving just stopped being a science problem and became an engineering challenge instead. That's the through-line of today’s double-header with the CEOs of two of the most important AV companies in the world — Wayve's Alex Kendall and Waabi's Raquel Urtasun. Between them: ~$2B raised in the last six months, Uber as a partner, Nissan and Volvo as OEMs, and a shared bet that end-to-end AI plus world models beats Waymo's city-by-city map-and-pray approach.
If you want to understand the state of the self-driving industry beyond recent Waymo announcements, this is the episode for you.
Guest Links:
Wayve: wayve.ai/
Waabi: http://waabi.ai/
Alex Kendall https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexgkendall/
Raquel Uratsun: https://www.linkedin.com/in/raquel-urtasun-298400139/
Company Links:
Wayve’s GAIA-2 world model: https://wayve.ai/thinking/gaia-2/
Wayve’s 500 city roadshow: https://wayve.ai/thinking/ai-500-roadshow-500-cities/
Wavye’s most recent funding round: https://wayve.ai/press/series-d/
Waybe + Uber: https://wayve.ai/press/wayve-nissan-uber-robotaxi-collaboration/
Waabi closed-loop simulator: https://waabi.ai/insights/waabi-world
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