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Open source is going to win it all: Harvey proves it | E2328

August 21, 2026

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Open source is going to win it all: Harvey proves it

"This is your final warning. Don't trust the platforms." That line, from an earlier episode of This Week in Startups, gets replayed about halfway through this conversation—and it lands differently now because the evidence has arrived. Harvey, the legal AI company that was built on OpenAI's models and funded by OpenAI's startup fund, just released its own proprietary model. Harvey Tenet is a post-trained open-weight model built on Kimi K3, not on GPT-4. The company that OpenAI seeded with $5 million and gave early access to GPT-4 has now built its own castle.

The Harvey story as a signal

Harvey's move matters because it is not an edge case. It is the playbook becoming visible. Harvey was likely spending $10 million a month with OpenAI, Jason estimates. Now that spend is coming off the frontier models. The company is building specialized models for its law firm clients—and building separate "keeps" for each client so that Acme Litigators and Delta Litigators do not share data or intelligence. The law firms do not want their sensitive data training the model that their competitor also uses. And they do not want their data training the model that OpenAI itself will eventually productize.

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What you'll learn

  • 1 Timestamped Outline
  • 2 (00:00) **Open Source is Going to Win It All** - Jason declares the central thesis: open source models will dominate enterprise AI, using Harvey's move off frontier models as proof
  • 3 (01:16) **Grock Bot Demo: Systems Over Goals** - Jason and Lawrence share how they're using Grok's agentic capabilities to build automated research systems
  • 4 (03:04) **Tactical and Practical: Building Automated Research Pipelines** - Jason explains how he's using Grok Bot for content sourcing, event planning, and competitive analysis
  • 5 (05:50) **Why Grok Bot Feels Less Brittle Than OpenClaw** - Jason compares Grok's reliability to previous agent attempts
  • 6 (07:42) **The Taste vs. Systems Problem** - Jason identifies a leadership challenge: balancing creative taste with systematic execution
  • 7 (08:57) **Superhuman Go Segment** - Ad break with host-read endorsement for Superhuman Go AI chat

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Show Notes

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Today's show:

Jason's been saying it for years now (and we've got an All In clip from 2023 to prove it). Open source will win the AI race. This week gives us a major evidence point, as $11B legal AI company Harvey released its own in-house model, trained on an open-weight Kimi K3 base. Harvey made a proprietary specialized solution without having to risk sharing its precious expert-compiled data with the major frontier labs.

PLUS we're checking out the FREE AI dictation app Willow with co-founder Allan Guo, and finding out how he plans to compete with giants like Wispr Flow and Apple. AND we've got the Stanford student who built an automated golf cart and gave luminaries like Jensen Huang and Sam Altman rides around campus.

Guests

Allan Guo on X: https://x.com/_allanguo

Willow: https://willowvoice.com/

Ethan Goodhart: https://x.com/EthanGoodhart

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Relevant Links

CNBC: OpenAI "will be a public company in 2027": https://www.cnbc.com/2026/08/19/open-ai-ipo-timing-2027-friar.html

OpenAI Zero Data Retention Pledge: https://openai.com/index/our-commitment-to-zero-data-retention

TWIST (June 2026): Jason comments on OpenAI and training data: https://youtu.be/o3eow1nTrcI?si=orungk7OmplOuyio&t=742

All In podcast (Feb 2023): Jason comments on open source vs. frontier models: https://youtu.be/PVgBWV2bvLs?si=j6y7sHS0wx9q09oa&t=5173

Harvey: https://www.harvey.ai/

Harvey Tenet Research Preview: https://www.harvey.ai/blog/post-training-update-harvey-tenet

Fireworks AI: https://fireworks.ai/

Wispr Flow: https://wisprflow.ai/

Pipedrive: https://www.pipedrive.com/

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