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How Bespoke faked AI until it actually worked (w/ Akemi Tsunagawa) | E2320

August 3, 2026

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How Bespoke faked AI until it actually worked

Akemi Tsunagawa started her first company in 2015 building a multilingual chatbot for tourists visiting Japan—back when nobody believed in AI. "Investors did not think it was a good idea," she says. "Back in 2015, AI was not popular at all." So she faked it. She and her team chatted with users themselves, pretending to be bots. That manual, unscalable approach taught them what real tourists actually needed, and when Narita Airport came to them asking for help with overwhelmed information counters, the business took off.

Finding problems in plain sight

Tsunagawa's pattern is simple: spend time with people who have a problem and listen. She learned this from her first failed startup, a TripAdvisor clone. "I didn't know what to do, so I just went to Shibuya Crossing or Roppongi Station, grabbed any tourists with a giant suitcase, asked a bunch of questions." She got kicked out of stations and banned from Meiji Shrine. But those conversations led her to the chatbot business.

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What you'll learn

  • 1 (00:00) **Introducing Akemi Tsunagawa & The Labor Crisis Opportunity** - The host sets up the episode in Tokyo, explaining the macro context of Japan's labor shortage and introducing Akemi as the founder of Bespoke, who has built three businesses addressing this core problem.
  • 2 (03:53) **“Faking It” Until It Works: The Do-Not-Scale Chatbot** - Akemi reveals the scrappy origin of her first startup, where she and her team acted as humans pretending to be a bot to validate demand and learn user behavior.
  • 3 (04:53) **The Narita Airport Breakthrough & Building In-House Tech** - Akemi describes how a major customer (Narita Airport) validated the concept, forcing the team to build their own translation and chat technology from scratch.
  • 4 (06:21) **Understanding the Japanese Tourism Boom** - The conversation pivots to the root causes of Japan's popularity and the resulting "overtourism" problem, which creates both business opportunities and cultural friction.
  • 5 (10:33) **Cultural Tips for Visitors** - A brief, practical segment on how to be a respectful tourist in Japan, offering specific behavioral advice.
  • 6 (14:06) **The Demographic Crisis: Why Population is Shrinking** - Akemi explains the second major problem her businesses solve: the severe and accelerating population decline, which creates a labor shortage that tourism alone cannot fix.
  • 7 (17:10) **Be Trained: Solving the Skills Gap with Video** - Akemi introduces her second business, which uses smart glasses and video to train foreign workers who don't speak Japanese, turning expert knowledge into a scalable, translated resource.

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*Before Bespoke's "travel concierge" chatbot could actually hold a conversation, founder/CEO Akemi Tsunagawa and her team quietly answered customers themselves. That "fake it till you make it" strategy paid off. Bespoke landed Narita Airport as a customer based on the strength of their "chatbot" answers, and now the team runs three companies, and is expanding into shipyard robots.

In the fourth and final edition of TWiST Tokyo for Summer '26, Jason and Akemi discuss her thesis: "solve the labor gap first, [then] build the tech to math." Plus insights into Japan's tourism boom, how founders should consider the country's accelerating population decline, the economics and politics of importing foreign labor, and why AI may already be taking over more jobs than you think.

Guest

Akemi Tsunagawa on X: https://x.com/AkemiTsunagawa

Bespoke: https://www.be-spoke.io/

Bebot: https://www.bebot.io

BeTrained: https://www.be-spoke.io/en/be-trained

Relevant Links

Disrupting Japan: "Silicon Valley Has Chatbots All Wrong": https://www.disruptingjapan.com/silicon-valley-has-chatbots-all-wrong-heres-how-they-really-make-money/

CNN on Japan's population decline: https://www.cnn.com/2025/08/07/asia/japan-biggest-population-decline-record-intl-hnk

Paul Graham: "Do Things That Don't Scale": https://www.paulgraham.com/ds.html

Wispr Flow: https://wisprflow.ai/

TripAdvisor: https://www.tripadvisor.com/

KPMG on Japan's Business Manage Visa Reforms: https://kpmg.com/xx/en/our-insights/gms-flash-alert/flash-alert-2025-195.html

Business Traveller on the "Akiya" renovation trend: https://www.businesstraveller.com/insights/f

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