The Mel Robbins Podcast
The Mel Robbins Podcast

Stanford Psychologist: 7 Small Things That Make a Huge Difference in How You Feel

September 10, 2026

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The Science of Joy: Seven Resources You Already Have

Dr. Kelly McGonagall, a Stanford health psychologist who has spent over two decades researching stress, resilience, and joy, wants to correct a fundamental misunderstanding: joy is not the emotional reward you get when everything in your life is perfect. "Joy would not exist if life were not hard," she tells Mel Robbins. "We wouldn't need it, actually. Joy is a particular type of uplift that pulls you up from when you're feeling stuck or sad or hopeless."

The core function of joy, McGonagall argues, is straightforward and profound: "to make you want to be alive." And the good news is that you don't need to overhaul your life to access it. You have seven free resources already inside you—your body, brain, attention, instincts, emotions, choices, and relationships—that can help you tap into meaning, connection, and hope, even when external circumstances are genuinely difficult.

What Joy Actually Is (and Isn't)

McGonagall defines joy as the opposite of that punch-in-the-stomach feeling you get from bad news. It's when "something goes right, or you notice something wonderful or something good happens, or someone says something nice, and immediately your heart lifts, you feel lighter. Your gut is telling you this is a moment that matters."

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What you'll learn

  • 1 (00:08) **Introduction: Why Joy Matters Right Now** - Mel introduces Dr. Kelly McGonagall, a Stanford psychologist, and frames the conversation around getting your spark back without needing a perfect life.
  • 2 (07:38) **What Joy Actually Is (and Isn't)** - Dr. McGonagall gives a clear, physical definition of joy and lists the four most common sources people report.
  • 3 (10:17) **Why Joy Is Critical for Survival** - Dr. McGonagall explains that joy’s core function is to make you want to live, especially when life is hard.
  • 4 (15:46) **The Seven Free Resources: An Overview** - Mel identifies seven resources (body, brain, attention, instincts, emotions, choices, relationships) that you can use right now to feel better.
  • 5 (18:56) **Resource #1: Your Body** - Practical ways to use your body as a tool for joy, including breathing, movement, and understanding stress.
  • 6 (25:56) **The Power of Music and Movement** - Dr. McGonagall explains why music is a fast track to joy and how to overcome resistance to moving.
  • 7 (32:30) **Resource #2: Your Brain** - Using memory, meaning-making, and imagination as tools for hope and connection.

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Guests on this episode

Mel Robbins

Show Notes

You don’t have to wait for your life to get easier to start enjoying it.

 

Today, Mel sits down with Dr. Kelly McGonigal, a renowned health psychologist, award-winning Stanford University lecturer, and bestselling author whose work focuses on stress, resilience, and joy.

 

She’s here to show you how to feel more alive again by making 7 small shifts.

 

And you already have everything you need to get started.

 

Dr. McGonigal will walk you through your body and brain’s built-in resources for joy, connection, hope, and courage, and show you how to put them to work.

 

Your muscles, for example, are like a pharmacy inside your body, releasing “hope molecules” when you move. And you don’t have to crush a workout to get started. A walk with your dog or a little dancing in your kitchen counts.

 

One of Dr. McGonigal’s biggest insights: You need joy precisely because life can be hard. Those moments of laughter, closeness, and pleasure give you reasons to keep going, and you can learn how to create more of them.


And you can practice these mood-boosting shifts on your next walk, between errands, or while spending time with someone you love. 

 

You’ll learn:

–What joy really does for you and why your brain needs it 

–How your muscles can make hope – seriously

–How to make stress your friend and use it to your advantage 

–How to use a favorite song to shift your mood and get yourself going 

–How to turn a meaningful memory into courage you can use today 

–How to train your attention to notice more of the good around you 

–3 research-backed sources of hope you can tap into when you need a lift 

 

You have not lost your ability to feel joy. And you don’t have to wait for it to find you. 
 

You’ll leave this conversation with small things you can do today to feel more like yourself, connect with people, and get more enjoyment out of the life you’re living.
 

For more resources related to today’s episode, click here for the podcast episode page.  
 

If you liked this episode, listen to this one next: How to Stop Negative Thoughts & Reset Your Mind for Positive Thinking. 

 

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