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Intel & Apple, The American Economic Rollercoaster | Brian Chesky, Josh Reeves, Jonathan Neman, Zal Bilimoria

May 8, 2026

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Intel's stock surged nearly 20% after reports of a preliminary agreement to manufacture chips for Apple, marking a potential revival for the US chipmaker. Talks, ongoing for over a year, were pushed by the Trump administration, including Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick's meetings with Tim Cook and others like Jensen Huang and Elon Musk. This builds on Intel's recent momentum: CEO Lip-Bu Tan's leadership changes, hiring ex-TSMC execs, heavy investment in the 14A process node (advocated by Trump), Nvidia's $5 billion stake for custom CPUs, and Elon's TerraFab project. The US government's $9 billion in grants, converted to stock bought at $23/share (now ~$125), has yielded a 5x return. For Apple, facing TSMC capacity shortages amid AI demand (e.g., Mac Mini delays), this offers dual-sourcing and supply resiliency, reducing Taiwan reliance.

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What you'll learn

  • 1 (00:09) **Intro & Economic Overview** - Hosts set stage for American economic rollercoaster, highlighting stock rip and AI vs real economy split
  • 2 (01:38) **Intel-Apple Chip Deal** - Intel surges 20% on preliminary agreement to manufacture Apple chips, backed by Trump admin pressure and US investments
  • 3 (02:51) **Intel Business Context** - Details Intel's foundry struggles, TSMC hires, Nvidia/SpaceX partnerships, and Apple supply shortages driving dual-sourcing
  • 4 (09:02) **AI Economy Dominance** - Mag Ten (Mag7 + AMD/Broadcom/Micron) at 40% market cap; AI grew 31% vs non-AI 0.1%; tech invest soars in chips/software
  • 5 (12:15) **April Jobs Report** - US adds 115k jobs (beat 55k expectations), strong in retail/transport/healthcare despite tech layoffs
  • 6 (17:22) **Real Economy K-Shapes** - Whirlpool cuts dividend amid appliance weakness (down 80% in 5yrs); Six Flags grows revenue/attendance despite discretion
  • 7 (21:28) **AI Futures & Market Anxiety** - FT chart shows GDP per capita paths from extinction to $1M+ abundance; dual fears of AI bubble or mass unemployment

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Show Notes

  • (01:34) - Apple and Intel Reach Chip Deal
  • (10:05) - The American Economic Rollercoaster
  • (27:52) - Timeline Reactions
  • (43:48) - Josh Reeves, CEO and co-founder of Gusto, a company specializing in payroll, benefits, and HR solutions for small businesses, discusses the company's recent milestone of surpassing $1 billion in trailing revenue, attributing this achievement to their commitment to assisting small businesses. He emphasizes Gusto's focus on execution and support for small businesses, noting that while they have no immediate plans to go public, they are closely monitoring market conditions. Reeves also highlights the impact of AI on business growth rates and the increase in new business formations, expressing optimism about the potential for AI to empower more individuals to become business owners.
  • (55:59) - Jonathan Neman, co-founder and CEO of Sweetgreen, discusses the company's recent nationwide launch of wraps, marking its most significant menu expansion to date. After a year of development, Sweetgreen introduced four signature wraps featuring a custom four-ingredient tortilla, aiming to offer a portable, healthy, and craveable option for customers. Neman emphasizes the importance of customer feedback in this innovation, highlighting the use of social listening tools and direct interactions to meet consumer demands for convenient and satisfying meals.
  • (01:32:00) - Zal Bilimoria is the solo general partner at Refactor Capital, a seed-stage venture capital firm he founded in 2016, focusing on hard tech startups in sectors like bio, climate, and aerospace. In the conversation, he reflects on his journey from product management roles at Microsoft, Google, YouTube, Netflix, and LinkedIn to becoming a partner at Andreessen Horowitz, where he co-launched their Bio Fund, before establishing Refactor Capital. Bilimoria discusses his investment philosophy, emphasizing a concentrated portfolio strategy, writing $1-2 million checks to 20-25 companies per fund, and highlights recent successes such as Astranis' $450 million Series E raise and PathAI's $1 billion acquisition by Roche.
  • (01:56:27) - Brian Chesky, co-founder and CEO of Airbnb, is an American businessman and industrial designer who has led the company since its inception in 2007. In the conversation, he discusses Airbnb's accelerated growth post-pandemic, attributing it to a renewed startup intensity and a focus on enhancing the guest experience. Chesky also highlights the significant role of AI in the company's operations, noting that 60% of Airbnb's code is now written by AI, which has improved customer service efficiency and reduced costs.


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