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Gavin Baker: SpaceX Might Be the Greatest Company of All Time

June 15, 2026

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The SpaceX IPO and the Token Path Economy

SpaceX's IPO executed with unusual precision—a clean 20% pop rather than the dramatic 70% spike-and-crash pattern that marks most high-profile debuts. But for Gavin Baker, the story that matters isn't the first-day trading. It's what comes next: the tension between SpaceX's long-term Mars ambitions and the much nearer-term reality of how quickly they can bring gigawatts of compute online.

Near-Term Drivers vs. Long-Term Vision

Baker pushes back on the idea that SpaceX's story is a decade out. The near-term catalysts are concrete. "How quickly can they bring on terrestrial compute?" matters immediately. SpaceX monetizes gigawatts at roughly two to three times the rate of average neocloud pricing, according to Altimeter's analysis. On their Google deal, they're doing $50 billion per gigawatt. "If you can energize two, three, four gigawatts in the next year, that's a lot of revenue."

The other big variable is Cursor. After Composer 2.5 used just three weeks of reinforcement learning and supervised fine-tuning on Colossus 2 to achieve near-benchmark dominance, Baker wonders what happens when that same approach gets applied to a bigger, better base model. Cursor is already in half the Fortune 500.

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What you'll learn

  • 1 (00:01) **Opening & SpaceX IPO Post-Mortem** - The host and Gavin Baker discuss the flawless execution of the SpaceX IPO and the market's initial reaction.
  • 2 (01:00) **Market's Tolerance for Long-Term Investment** - Baker argues that public markets have a longer time horizon for investment cycles than the venture ecosystem thinks.
  • 3 (02:27) **Near-Term Drivers for SpaceX** - Baker identifies two key tangible drivers for the company beyond the long-term vision of Mars and asteroid mining.
  • 4 (04:52) **Tension: Cloud Business vs. Application Business** - The discussion explores the strategic tension of SpaceX selling compute (to Anthropic) while also building its own applications.
  • 5 (06:32) **Is SpaceX Building a Full Cloud (AWS)?** - The host asks if SpaceX needs to offer more than just a "token factory" (compute) to compete with hyperscalers.
  • 6 (07:20) **How Other Hyperscalers (Meta) Fit In** - Baker analyzes Meta's position, using EV to Net PP&E as a key metric.
  • 7 (12:40) **The Role of Retail in Capital Markets** - Baker defends retail investors and discusses their influence on the SpaceX IPO and the broader market.

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Show Notes

This is our full conversation with Gavin Baker.

We discuss the aftermath of the SpaceX IPO, why he believes SpaceX could become the most important company of all time, how AI infrastructure and "token factories" are reshaping capital markets, why sovereign AI strategies may struggle to compete with frontier labs, and what the future of data centers, orbital compute, and the AI endgame could look like.

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