How reading can transform your life (w/ Reginald Dwayne Betts)
September 28, 2026
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5 min readIn 2020, during the pandemic, Reginald Dwayne Betts was asked a hypothetical: what would you do for people in prison if money weren’t an issue? His answer was immediate and counterintuitive. “We put millions of people in prison,” he says. “I would put millions of books.” That answer became Freedom Reads, an organization that has since installed 629 handcrafted, hardwood bookcases—called freedom libraries—inside prisons across America. Betts, a poet, a MacArthur “Genius” Fellow, and a lawyer, was sentenced to nine years in prison at age 16 for carjacking. He credits literature with saving his life. In this conversation, he explains why beauty matters in the most brutal places, how reading builds empathy that no other medium can, and why he refuses to reduce the prison system to a simple villain.
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What you'll learn
- 1 (00:57) **Introduction: Finding Beauty in Unexpected Places** - Host Chris Duffy sets up the episode with Reginald Dwayne Betts, a poet and founder of Freedom Reads, who uses literature to transform prison spaces.
- 2 (02:24) **The Judge's Words and a Pivot to Writing** - Betts explains how the judge's phrase "but you can go down there and you can make the best of it" became a permission slip to redefine his future.
- 3 (06:46) **The Core Mission of Freedom Reads** - Betts explains why putting 500+ handcrafted libraries inside prisons is his life's work.
- 4 (10:17) **The System's Failure vs. The Power of Beauty** - Betts reframes the problem of incarceration not as malice but as a systemic lack of resources and imagination.
- 5 (14:04) **Beauty as a Neuroesthetic Solution** - Betts argues that beauty itself is a practical, low-cost intervention that can de-escalate conflict and restore humanity.
- 6 (16:51) **Reclaiming Poetry for the People** - Betts challenges the idea that poetry is inaccessible or only for academics.
- 7 (22:47) **The Quilt Maker: Tradition and Allusion** - Betts explains his poetic technique of weaving in the work of other artists, from Rita Dove to Tupac, as a deliberate act of honoring tradition.
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Show Notes
“We have tried to create a system devoid of beauty, and it has failed. We have never tried to create a system that is replete with beauty and ask us what it might do.” Reginald Dwayne Betts is a poet, a lawyer, and a prison reform advocate. In this episode, he joins Chris to discuss the detrimental effects of prison systems and how lack of resources and the lack of beauty in prison perpetuates dehumanization. Reginald and Chris also share their favorite poems and books and discuss Reginald’s work with the Freedom Library to bring books to prisoners and correction officers.
Poems and Books Mentioned
From the Mixed-up Files of Mrs. Basil E. Frankweiler by E.L. Konigsburg
Free Food for Millionaires by Min Jin Lee
won’t you celebrate with me by Lucille Clifton
Those Winter Sundays by Robert Hayden
Failing and Flying by Jack Gilbert
The Forgotten Dialect of the Heart by Jack Gilbert
A Gentleman in Moscow by Amor Towles
under a soprano sky by Sonia Sanchez
For Freckle-Faced Gerald by Etheridge Knight
Featured guest
- Follow Reginald on Instagram, LinkedIn, and at FreedomReads.org
- Buy Felon: Poems and Doggerel:
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