Patrick Collison on Stripe’s Early Choices, Smalltalk, and What Comes After Coding

February 20, 2026

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🎙️ The Voices & The Context

The Format: A focused interview between a host and guest, blending technical deep dives with forward-looking speculation on programming and tech.
The Key Players:
- Guest: Patrick Collison, CEO of Stripe—a payments giant he co-founded; famous for scaling Stripe to 99.999986% API uptime (just 44 seconds downtime yearly), early hacker roots, and side quests like co-founding ARC (biomed research lab).
- Host: Michael Truog, CEO of Cursor (AI-powered code editor); geeky rapport as they geek out over dev tools.
The Vibe: Educational and enthusiastic—nerdy excitement over retro programming hacks, AI's dev revolution, and big-picture tech philosophy; light humor in self-deprecating tales of "terrible" tech choices.

🗝️ Key Themes & Topics

The chat explores programming's past quirks, present pains, and AI-fueled future, with Stripe as a real-world case study.

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What you'll learn

1 (00:00) **🎙️ Introduction: Patrick Collison**
2 (01:43) **First Startup in Smalltalk**
3 (05:03) **Early Lisp AI Bot on MSN Messenger**
4 (07:38) **Borrowing Ideas from Esoteric Languages**
5 (09:05) **Ideal Development Environments**
6 (13:05) **Future of Programming Paradigms**
7 (16:28) **Refactoring and Codebase Evolution**

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Show Notes

Michael Truell, CEO of Cursor, sits down with Patrick Collison, CEO of Stripe and an investor in Anysphere, to talk about Collison's history with Smalltalk and Lisp, the MongoDB and Ruby decisions Stripe still lives with 15 years later, why he'd spend even more time on API design if he could do it over, and whether AI is actually showing up in economic productivity data. This episode originally aired on Cursor's podcast.

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