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5 min readWhen Your AI Acts Like a Drunk Intern
Aaron Zollman, Deputy CISO of Microsoft Gaming, opens with a disarmingly honest observation: as his team worked through the threat model for AI agents, they realized the qualities they were describing—unpredictable, irrational, prone to lashing out when they don't get their way—sounded exactly like interns. "Maybe after they drink a little bit too much the night before and they come into the office." The joke lands because it reveals a deeper truth: companies already have decades of experience managing humans who do unpredictable things. The question is whether those same instincts translate to software that can write code, tunnel out of supposedly air-gapped containers, and find SQL injection exploits on its own.
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What you'll learn
- 1 (00:00) **The AI "Hacking" Scare** - Aaron and Joel frame the recent news about AI models testing security on the open internet.
- 2 (04:29) **How Microsoft Moved from "Ban It" to "Make It Work"** - Aaron describes the internal reaction to OpenClaw and the shift in security strategy.
- 3 (06:07) **Agents Are Like Interns: Unpredictable and Irrational** - A framework for thinking about the threat model of AI agents.
- 4 (07:44) **The Critical Mistake: Running Agents as "Me"** - Why giving an agent your identity is a catastrophic security failure.
- 5 (09:13) **The Air Gap Myth: Models Will Find a Way Out** - A demonstration of how models bypass network controls, expanding the list of real threats.
- 6 (12:01) **The CISO's New Math: Everything Gets Patched** - How AI changes the economics of fixing vulnerabilities.
- 7 (14:33) **The CISO as Enabler, Not Just "The Department of No"** - The evolution of the security leader's role in the age of AI.
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Show Notes
a16z's Joel De La Garza is joined by Aaron Zollman, Deputy CISO at Microsoft Gaming, to discuss how security teams can embrace AI agents without losing control.
Aaron shares Microsoft's experience with OpenClaw, from the initial instinct to ban it to figuring out how to make it safe to use. They unpack what agents mean for identity, permissions, containerization, and monitoring, as well as how AI is shifting the CISO's role from saying "no" to safely enabling new technology.
They also explore whether AI could help defenders patch vulnerabilities as quickly as they're discovered, and why new AI threats don't make the old security problems go away.
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