Balaji and Steven Glinert on Network States, Supply Chains, and Allied Coalition Strategy
June 3, 2026
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5 min read“The leftist thinks there’s infinite money; the rightist thinks there’s infinite power.” That line from Balaji Srinivasan captures the central tension of a conversation that ranges from the fragility of American supply chains to the rise of internet-native communities. In this episode of the a16z Podcast, hosts Theo Jaffe and Sofia Puccini speak with Balaji Srinivasan (author of The Network State) and Steven Glinert about why the old levers of coercion—taxation and military force—are losing their grip in a multipolar, digitally-connected world. The argument is not about which side is right, but about a shared failure to understand the limits of their own tools.
The Network vs. The State
Srinivasan’s core framework is a structural tension between two organizing principles: the network (bottom-up, internet-native, capitalist, internationalist) and the state (top-down, territorial, coercive, nationalist). He argues that for 400 years, since the Peace of Westphalia, geography determined culture and law. That is no longer true. People in the same apartment building can have completely different worldviews because their real social networks—their WhatsApp groups, Twitter feeds, and remote work contacts—span the globe. “You live in the center of a network, not really in your location,” he says.
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What you'll learn
- 1 (00:00) **Opening: The Infinite Money vs. Infinite Power Fallacy** - Balaji frames the core ideological blind spots of both left and right: the left ignores physical scarcity, the right ignores digital scarcity (the need for persuasion over coercion).
- 2 (01:03) **Introducing the Guests & the Central Tension** - The hosts frame the debate: will the future be organized by nation-states or by digital networks that span them?
- 3 (02:04) **The "Tit-for-Tat" Approach to Debate** - Balaji explains his strategy of starting every engagement by seeking a "win-win," using empathy to understand the other party's incentive structure.
- 4 (04:37) **The Thesis: "Internet First" as the Next Step** - Balaji introduces the core concept: moving from a digital network to a physical social network, or "printing out the internet."
- 5 (06:45) **Defining "Internet First"** - The internet is the single most underestimated force in the world, and "Internet First" is both a technological (mobile-first) and a political (America-first) idea.
- 6 (10:34) **The Network vs. The State: A Structural Conflict** - Steven pushes back on the vulnerability of physical locations to state violence. Balaji counters that the internet was designed to resist nuclear attack, and the real dynamic is a tension between two poles.
- 7 (16:41) **Historical Precedent: The Pope vs. The Emperor** - Steven draws an analogy to the Investiture Crisis, where the Pope (the network) held power over the Holy Roman Emperor (the state) through influence, not armies.
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Show Notes
Theo Jaffee and Sophia Puccini speak with Balaji Srinivasan and Steven Glinert about the shifting balance of power between nations, networks, and technology.
The conversation covers China’s industrial rise, America’s manufacturing challenges, the role of alliances in a multipolar world, and whether the internet is becoming a political force independent of traditional nation states. They discuss supply chains, technological sovereignty, decentralization, and competing visions for the future global order.
Along the way, Balaji outlines ideas from the Network State and Network School, while both guests debate how technology, economics, and political power may evolve over the coming decades.
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