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"Heaven is for Real" with Adrian Daub

August 11, 2026

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5 min read

In 2010, a book called Heaven is for Real was published with an initial print run of 40,000 copies. By 2014, it had sold 10 million copies. The book, presented as nonfiction, tells the story of four-year-old Colton Burpo, the son of a Nebraska pastor and garage door salesman, who claimed to have visited heaven during a medical emergency. The episode explores how this phenomenon became a massive cultural force—and what it reveals about faith, commerce, and the American desire for proof of the afterlife.

The Industrial Scale of Christian Publishing

The book's success was not an accident of grassroots enthusiasm. Christian publishing in the United States was an $820 million industry in 2024, and by 2025, religious book sales ($926 million) actually outpaced total trade print book sales ($762 million). Heaven is for Real was published by a Christian publisher, but it crossed over into mainstream culture in a way that few such books do. It was adapted into a film directed by Randall Wallace—the screenwriter of Braveheart and a frequent Mel Gibson collaborator—that grossed over $100 million, making it the second-highest-grossing Christian film after The Passion of the Christ.

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  • 1 Main Outline
  • 2 (00:00) **Episode Introduction and Topic Reveal** - Sarah introduces guest Adrian Daub and reveals they'll be discussing the 2010 bestseller "Heaven is for Real"
  • 3 (05:35) **The Cultural Phenomenon of "Heaven is for Real"** - Adrian recalls seeing the book in airports and bookstores around 2010-2011, noting its ubiquitous presence in American culture
  • 4 (09:50) **The Scale of Christian Publishing** - Sarah reveals that Christian publishing is a nearly billion-dollar industry, larger than the entire trade print book market
  • 5 (13:17) **The "Heaven Book" Genre** - Sarah reads a list of similar books from a New York Times article, including "Proof of Heaven," "90 Minutes in Heaven," and "The Boy Who Came Back from Heaven"
  • 6 (16:52) **The Burpo Family's Story** - Sarah explains the actual events: Colton had a burst appendix that was misdiagnosed for days, leading to a dire medical situation
  • 7 (19:31) **The "Pure Soul" Argument** - Sarah connects this book to the "Michelle Remembers" phenomenon, where publishers argue that innocent, simple people couldn't possibly be lying

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Show Notes

If your four-year-old told you about a trip to heaven, would you believe them? For a pastor named Todd Burpo, the answer was yes. In 2010, his book Heaven Is For Real—co-authored by Lynn Vincent—became a runaway bestseller. This week, Sarah tells In Bed with the Right co-host Adrian Daub the story of this strange little book, and how it reveals more about us than it does the afterlife. Digressions include Shakerism, The Big Lebowski, and the ongoing debate around pets in heaven.

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Adrian’s new book What Tech Calls Governing comes out August 18th

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