Young and Profiting with Hala Taha (Entrepreneurship, Sales, Marketing)

Ryan Holiday: Think Like a Stoic, Timeless Leadership Principles for Modern Entrepreneurs | Leadership | YAPClassic

July 24, 2026

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In his early twenties, Ryan Holiday was the marketing director of American Apparel, running provocative campaigns that got banned and generated millions in free media. But his real education began at 19, when he took a job transcribing interviews for Robert Greene, the author of The 48 Laws of Power. Holiday describes the work as "shit work" — the mundane tasks Greene didn't want to do — but he understood that an hour of Greene's time, if it could even be purchased, was priceless. "It only becomes a mentorship or an apprenticeship afterwards," Holiday says. "After a long time has passed, you can come to understand that's what it was." That apprenticeship lasted years, and Holiday's first book didn't come out until he was 25 or 26. He wrote on his website for free for six or seven years before earning a dollar from writing. The lesson, drawn from a Zen story he retells: the more you try to rush mastery, the longer it takes.

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What you'll learn

1 (01:31) **Apprenticeship Under Robert Greene** - Ryan describes how a mundane research job became a transformative mentorship and why young people should embrace the "shit work"
2 (04:02) **The Danger of Impatience in Skill-Building** - Ryan argues that young people sabotage themselves by wanting results before they've done the work
3 (06:40) **How Robert Greene Taught Influence Through Storytelling** - Ryan reveals the marketing lesson he absorbed from Greene: show, don't tell
4 (14:01) **Marketing Philosophy at American Apparel** - Ryan explains why being boring is expensive and how provocative campaigns generate free earned media
5 (19:55) **Media Manipulation Then and Now** - Ryan reflects on how the tools he wrote about in 2012 have become far more dangerous with AI and social media
6 (22:27) **The Strategic Pivot to Stoicism** - Ryan reveals that his transition from marketing to philosophy was a long-term plan, not a random shift
7 (28:18) **Defining the Good Life in Stoic Terms** - Ryan explains the core Stoic idea: we don't control what happens, only how we respond

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Show Notes

Ryan Holiday's approach to leadership was shaped through patience and years of unglamorous work. After dropping out of college at 19, he apprenticed under bestselling author Robert Greene, learning writing, research, persuasion, and human nature before becoming the marketing director of American Apparel at just 21. Those experiences laid the foundation for his rise as a bestselling author and one of the world's leading voices on Stoicism. In this episode, Ryan shares how Stoicism can help entrepreneurs strengthen leadership skills, sharpen decision-making, and maintain a resilient mindset during tough times.

In this episode, Hala and Ryan will discuss:

(00:00) Introduction

(01:32) Robert Greene’s Influence on Ryan’s Career

(09:52) Provocative Marketing Lessons From American Apparel

(18:18) Ryan’s Path Into Stoic Philosophy

(19:44) The Stoic Approach to Life and Business

(27:13) The Four Stoic Virtues for Personal Development

(32:21) Mastering Clear Decision-Making Under Pressure

(38:18) The Dangers of Ego in Leadership

(40:34) How Stoicism Drives Productivity

(41:52) Building Ethical Habits and Leadership Skills

(50:41) Stoic Habits for Profiting in Life

Ryan Holiday is a bestselling author, entrepreneur, media strategist, and one of the leading modern voices bringing Stoic philosophy to mainstream audiences. He served as director of marketing at American Apparel before founding his creative agency, Brass Check. Ryan’s books, including The Obstacle Is the Way and The Daily Stoic, have sold more than 2 million copies in 30 languages. His work helps leaders and creatives apply Stoic principles to overcome challenges.

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