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Moving from Bitterness to Resilience with Toni Collier

October 5, 2026

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Moving from Bitterness to Resilience with Toni Collier

The conversation opens with a striking confession: Toni Collier, a Bible teacher, podcaster, and single mother of two, cannot remember large swaths of her life. "My brain is trying to protect me from overload because I have been overloaded a lot," she says—exposed to pornography as a girl, a verbally abusive alcoholic father, a severely ill mother, and no one to care for her. The problem, she explains, is that the brain's neurofeedback channels process both joy and pain through the same pathway. When the brain suppresses painful memories to protect her, it also suppresses good ones. The result is a life where friends say, "Remember that vacation?" and she draws a blank.

How EMDR Reorganizes Memory

Collier describes EMDR (Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing) using a metaphor she developed: our lives are bookshelves, with our story told chapter by chapter, left to right, age by age. When trauma enters, a book gets pulled slightly out of alignment, creating a "damage rift" in the narrative. EMDR does not remove the book—it pushes it back into place so the story can be told without the rifts. But to do that, "you have to go back to it. You have to read it. You actually have to name that that happened to you."

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What you'll learn

  • 1 (01:16) **Introduction and Warm-Up** - The Perrys welcome Toni Collier to the show; light banter about clothing and the word "pants" vs. "pant."
  • 2 (03:40) **ADHD and the Brain's Relationship to Pain** - Toni and Preston discuss how ADHD affects memory and trauma processing.
  • 3 (06:47) **How Trauma Reshapes Memory** - Toni reveals that her brain's protective mechanism removes both pain and joy, impacting her daily life and relationships.
  • 4 (09:06) **Becoming a Student of the Brain** - Toni explains how she learned about trauma and neuroscience through certifications and partnerships with Christian psychologists.
  • 5 (11:11) **EMDR Explained: The Bookshelf Metaphor** - Toni gives a vivid, accessible explanation of EMDR therapy and how it helps process trauma.
  • 6 (15:17) **How EMDR Works Physically and Emotionally** - Toni details the actual EMDR process, including eye movements, tapping, and REM-like states.
  • 7 (19:43) **The Principle: Resilience Requires Reckoning** - Preston and Toni agree that avoiding pain hinders resilience; you must sit in the suffering to move through it.

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Show Notes

Pain changes us, and it can make us bitter before it makes us resilient. We can also become more attached to our pain than to our Savior, and that’s idolatry.

Toni Collier joins the Perrys to talk about what bitterness looks like and what it means to reckon with our suffering instead of running from it. Toni and Preston discuss their individual experiences with ADHD and how their brains uniquely process trauma and pain. Toni unpacks her experience with EMDR (Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing) therapy and how it creates the space to process through hard things. Toni, Jackie and Preston together point to the fact that healing is a communal project – healing requires bringing our suffering to the Lord and to safe people in our lives.


Connect with Toni


Check out two seasons of Unshakeable Moxie, a FREE video series from Our Daily Bread, co-hosted by Toni Collier:

www.odbm.org/en/media/unshakable-moxie


Scripture references:

  • Judges 4

  • Ruth 1:20

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