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5 min readLearning How to Think
"What is the immeasurable greatness of his power toward us? Toward us." The line from Ephesians 1 lands differently when you sit with it. The same God who made the heavens, the constellations, the cells, the whole created order—this God has "immeasurable greatness of power toward us who believe." And yet, Preston and his wife argue on this episode of With The Perrys, most Christians do not actually believe that. They believe it for some areas of life but not others. And that discrepancy, they say, is the central battle of the Christian mind.
The Judas-Peter Problem
The conversation opens with a practical dilemma: how do you know when to cut someone off and when to reconcile? The answer, Preston argues, depends on learning to distinguish between a Judas and a Peter. Both are sinful. Both are broken. But one is an enemy and the other is a flawed disciple who needs patience and forgiveness. The problem is that most believers have "flawed discernment" and treat them the same way.
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What you'll learn
- 1 (01:10) **Part Two: Introduction and the Love-Security Connection** - The hosts pick up the conversation about renewing the mind, shifting from fear to the theology of love and boundaries.
- 2 (04:24) **Discerning Between a Judas and a Peter** - A practical framework for navigating relationships with flawed people versus enemies.
- 3 (06:18) **The New Creation Lens for Relationships** - Applying 2 Corinthians 5 to how we view other believers.
- 4 (08:47) **The Stronghold of Lust and Unbelief** - A personal testimony reveals the root of ongoing sexual sin.
- 5 (14:45) **Freedom vs. Experiencing Freedom** - Clarifying the difference between positional deliverance and practical sanctification.
- 6 (16:55) **Justification, Sanctification, and the War for the Mind** - A theological breakdown of how a Christian's status and growth interact.
- 7 (20:45) **The Gospel as the Weapon Against Accusation** - Romans 8 is presented as the primary tool for fighting lust and condemnation.
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Show Notes
We have to think about what we’re thinking about. Go back and read that again.
Our thought life as Christ followers matters. It’s important we remain vigilant to identify and uproot the lies we’re believing, and to do that continually in community with the power of the Holy Spirit.
This is part two of a conversation on the battlefield of the mind. If you missed The Work of Mind Renewal, go back and watch on YouTube or listen on your platform of choice: https://youtu.be/n2nHa8_mSzQ
Scripture references:
Romans 8:5-9, 11
Ephesians 1:17-20
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