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Gangs, Sinless Perfection, and Throwing Hands: Storytime with The Perrys

September 28, 2026

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The Perrys recount a tense encounter at a poetry tour merch table that spiraled into a theological debate about sinless perfectionism. A man approached with confrontational energy, asking one of them if she cursed in her poems, then demanded she answer his next question only by nodding her head—no words allowed. She refused, pointing out that she is made in the image of God and that God uses words. The exchange escalated when the man declared he had not sinned in ten years and implied that because their poems addressed sin struggles, they could not be genuine Christians. The conversation became a public, impromptu debate involving several people from the tour, including Preston and John McReynolds, who pressed the man on his claims.

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  • 1 Gangs, Sinless Perfection, and Throwing Hands: Storytime with The Perrys
  • 2 Timestamped Outline
  • 3 (01:17) **Opening Banter and Story Time Setup** - The Perrys introduce a long-overdue story time episode, with Preston initially hesitant about having interesting stories to tell.
  • 4 (02:34) **The Merch Table Confrontation** - Preston recounts being approached by an aggressive man at a Poets & Autumns tour who challenged him about cursing in his poems and questioned his salvation.
  • 5 (06:14) **The Sinless Perfection Debate Begins** - The man engages Preston, Jackie, and John DeMcReynolds in a theological argument about whether Christians can be sinless in this life.
  • 6 (09:24) **Scripture-Based Refutation** - Preston and John deploy biblical texts to counter the sinless perfectionist's claims, citing 1 John, Ecclesiastes, and Paul's own testimony.
  • 7 (10:34) **Theological Root of Sinless Perfectionism** - Preston reflects on why sincere Christians might drift toward this doctrine, linking it to legalism and a misunderstanding of sanctification.

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Show Notes

Y’all love a “storytime” episode and it’s been a while since the Perrys recorded one.

The Perrys cover a wide range of topics, from legalism and the idea of “sinless perfection” to stories about identity, “hood” dynamics, and pretending to be someone you’re not.

Jackie and Preston discuss the theology of justification and sanctification as they remember meeting someone during a stop on a poetry tour who claimed he had not sinned in 10 years.

Then you’ll hear some high-school Jackie stories – like the time she was a fake gang member on her old Black Planet page – plus Preston’s recollection of the time he got robbed in Nigeria for multiple hours.

It’s a funny one – enjoy.

Scripture references:

  • Romans 7:13-20, 23-24

  • Romans 7:5

  • 1 Corinthians 1:2

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