With The Perrys
With The Perrys

Deep Dive: The Gospel, Evangelism & Making Disciples

August 10, 2026

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The Gospel That Keeps You

When Preston Perry asked a room full of Christian volunteers what the gospel is, one young woman answered: "I think it's safe to say that the gospel is like the book of Matthew and Mark and Luke and John." She knew the containers but not the content. That moment became a kind of parable for the conversation that follows—a deep, unhurried discussion between Preston, his wife Jackie Hill Perry, and their longtime pastor and discipler Brian Davis about what the gospel actually is, how to share it, and what it means to make disciples rather than simply recruit converts.

The Gospel Starts with Creation, Not Condemnation

The central argument of the episode is that Christians routinely mis-frame the gospel by starting with human sin rather than with God's goodness. Brian Davis insists this matters: "The gospel story is essentially about the story of God. It starts off with a good God creating his creation and calling it good." Sin only makes sense against the backdrop of a standard—and that standard is God's own character. "You only understand sin when you understand righteousness and holiness," Brian says. "You fell from a standard that God has set in himself."

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What you'll learn

  • 1 (01:15) **Defining the Gospel** - The hosts argue that the gospel must be framed by God’s goodness and creation, not by human sin.
  • 2 (03:50) **The Fall and the Promise** - Sin enters the story, but God immediately promises salvation through a coming offspring.
  • 3 (04:36) **Preaching the Gospel: Creation First** - The host explains why evangelism should begin with God’s goodness, not human failure.
  • 4 (09:50) **Romans 5 and Inherited Sin** - The hosts clarify why Adam’s sin affects all humanity and how that points to our need for a Savior.
  • 5 (11:45) **The Gospel’s Full Arc: Creation, Fall, Redemption, Resurrection** - A complete summary of the gospel message, emphasizing that it does not end at the cross.
  • 6 (18:00) **The Gospel Must Define You** - The gospel is not just for initial salvation but for daily sanctification and power.
  • 7 (23:32) **Addressing Sin with Grace and Truth** - The hosts discuss why sin must be addressed, but with wisdom and gentleness, not condemnation.

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Guests on this episode

Preston Perry

Show Notes

To change things up from a typical re-run, our team has put together “deep dive” episodes on specific topics or themes, pulling key moments from relevant episodes and bringing them together for one comprehensive listening experience. 

In this Deep Dive, Jackie and Preston discuss understanding what the gospel actually is, sharing your faith with wisdom and love, talking to family members who don’t believe, and walking alongside others as they grow in their faith.

Today’s Deep Dive features content from four past episodes:


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Scripture references:

  • 2 Timothy 2:23-26

  • 1 Peter 3:15

  • Matthew 28:19


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With The Perrys is a podcast where biblical truth meets honest conversation. Join Preston Perry and Jackie Hill Perry as they discuss theology, relationships, parenting, culture, and the everyday realities of following Jesus. With humor, transparency, and a deep commitment to Scripture, each episode aims to point listeners back to Christ, deepen their understanding of God's Word, and encourage faithful obedience in every area of life.

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