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5 min read“The greatest gift that we can give our children is the sense and wonder that the real Jesus loves you and you love the real Jesus.” That line, spoken by one of the guests, anchors a conversation that reorients Christian parenting away from fear, control, and guilt, and toward a long-term vision of raising disciples who will be sent out into a broken world.
The central argument of this episode is that having and raising children is not a retreat from a sinful world but an act of spiritual warfare and preservation. The guests push back against the common hesitation to bring kids into a world that feels increasingly dark. They argue that the world has always been sinful — the Roman Empire was “another level” — and that the command to “be fruitful and multiply” is a call to produce more salt and light. Raising children who know and follow Jesus is a way to “push back against the darkness” and to give God more images of himself in the earth. This is not about producing perfect kids; it is about participating in God’s ongoing plan to call people out of the world and into his family.
Parenting as Discipleship, Not Perfection
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What you'll learn
- 1 (01:10) **Fear of Bringing Children into a Sinful World** - The host frames the initial tension: hesitancy to have kids because of the state of the world.
- 2 (01:30) **The Great Commission Includes Making Babies** - Guest argues that procreation and raising disciples in the home is a primary way to fulfill Matthew 28 and push back against darkness.
- 3 (02:56) **Don't Let Fear Obey You** - Guest reframes fear as a legitimate feeling that Christians should "feel but not obey," citing 1 Peter; parenting also disciples the parent.
- 4 (04:24) **Raising Disciples as a Way to Push Back Evil** - The core mechanism: raising children is an act of spiritual warfare; producing "more salt" preserves the world.
- 5 (06:50) **Personal Story: The Prophetic Weight of Legacy** - Guest shares the story of a relative's comment about the family name dying out, which led to a revelation that God intended to reset the family trajectory through their sons.
- 6 (08:56) **Tension of Children Leaving Home** - How the couple navigated the busy season of young children by recognizing it has a beginning and an end; the goal is to send them out for a purpose.
- 7 (10:52) **Why We Have Children: Kingdom Plan** - The ultimate purpose of children is to keep God's kingdom plan going; marriage matters because it reflects Christ and the Church.
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Show Notes
To change things up from a typical re-run, our team has put together “deep dive” episodes on specific topics or themes, pulling key moments from relevant episodes and bringing them together for one comprehensive listening experience.
In this Deep Dive, Jackie and Preston revisit conversations they’ve had together (and with some guests, too) about parenting. This episode discusses building simple rhythms of Scripture and prayer in the home, how to help kids develop a faith of their own, and navigating hard conversations without shame.
Today’s Deep Dive features content from four past episodes:
Family and Parenting with Generations in Mind: A Conversation With The Ortlunds (November 2024) – https://youtu.be/UO8QC-JLj90
Boy Mom Stuff, Preaching, and Other Gems with Priscilla Shirer (September 2024) – https://youtu.be/EVwZfvh3OfI
Unforgiveness, Raising Kids in the Last Days, and Proud Preachers: A Q&A Episode (July 2025) – https://youtu.be/g6Ik2mrs6bU
Discipling Kids in a Sexually Broken World With Laurie and Matt Krieg (October 2025) – https://youtu.be/Q6cFmUZ0zho
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