What you'll learn

• 1 (01:02) **Why People Are Leaving the Faith** - The guest explains that exit interviews reveal a core disappointment: people are angry at God because their faith experience didn't match their expectations. The book was written to help people learn to "wrestle" with God rather than leave the faith.
• 2 (02:22) **The Apologist's Personal Wrestle** - The guest shares her own crisis of faith as a seminary student, triggered by learning about the problem of evil and terrorist violence against children.
• 3 (06:18) **The Framework for Wrestling** - The guest describes growing up in a sheltered Christian home where she never questioned God, and contrasts that with the critical wrestling she had to learn in college.
• 4 (08:04) **Faith vs. Unbelief: The Key Distinction** - The guest differentiates between reverent wrestling (like Mary asking "How will this be?") and irreverent unbelief (like Sarah laughing at God's promise).
• 5 (11:39) **The Hardest Part of Christianity: No Room for Numbness** - The host observes that Christianity removes the world's coping mechanisms (distractions, relationships, substances), leaving only trust in God.
• 6 (15:08) **When Dreams Fall Apart: The Book's Origin** - The guest discusses her book, "When Dreams Fall Apart," which addresses the "messy middle" of waiting for unanswered prayers or receiving answers you don't like.
• 7 (24:17) **Casting Cares in Context** - The guest explains how she learned to apply Philippians 4:6-7 practically, moving from beating herself up for anxiety to actively casting her cares on God.

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