Tucker Carlson on his MAGA split and Trump's 'nihilism' | NPR's Newsmakers

September 24, 2026

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Tucker Carlson spent decades as one of the most influential conservative voices in America, first at Fox News and now running his own independent media operation from a barn in Maine. He helped elect Donald Trump in 2024. By early 2026, he had turned against the president over the war with Iran, describing Trump’s decision-making as driven by nihilism and foreign influence. In this interview with NPR’s Steve Inskeep, recorded at Carlson’s home studio, he explains why he broke with Trump, what he thinks is really driving U.S. foreign policy, and how he came to see the two parties as essentially the same on the questions that matter most.

The break with Trump over Iran

Carlson says the war with Iran was “the most profoundly destructive thing any single decision a president has made in our history,” and he does not believe Trump made that decision freely. “He was pushed by a foreign country to do this,” Carlson says, referring to Israel. He describes a year of conversations with Trump before the war began, in which Trump repeatedly acknowledged the risks — that the war would shut down the world’s most important oil and gas region, destroy his legacy, and begin the collapse of the American empire. Carlson says he told Trump this directly in the Oval Office four days before the war started. Trump’s response, according to Carlson: “Yes, you’re right. But in the end, we all die a

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What you'll learn

1 (01:08) **Tucker Carlson's MAGA Break and Trump's Nihilism** - Carlson explains why he broke with Trump over the Iran war and describes a shocking Oval Office conversation.
2 (03:44) **The Uniparty and the Absence of Anti-War Protests** - Carlson argues both parties are aligned on the Iran war and that Democrats are complicit.
3 (06:40) **Israel's Influence and the Arms Sale** - Carlson details how Israel's lobby drives U.S. policy, using a massive bomb shipment as evidence.
4 (08:54) **Pushing Back: Democrats and the Iran Nuclear Deal** - Carlson concedes Obama deserves credit for the Iran nuclear deal but says the overall orientation toward Iran as an enemy is the problem.
5 (14:43) **Addressing the Anti-Semitism Accusation** - Carlson defends his criticism of Israel against charges of anti-Semitism.
6 (18:22) **JD Vance: Friend, Realist, and Disappointment** - Carlson expresses deep affection for Vance but says he failed to stop the war.
7 (22:38) **Foreign Influence and Trump's Business Dealings** - Carlson downplays concerns about Trump's foreign business ties, focusing instead on the outcome of Israeli influence.

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Guests on this episode

Tucker Carlson Steve Inskeep

Show Notes

Tucker Carlson is talking about what happened behind closed doors in his very public break with President Trump.

In this episode of NPR's Newsmakers, Carlson told host Steve Inskeep about a meeting with Trump in which, he says, Trump dismissed his concerns about the Iran war by saying, "We'll all die anyway."

Carlson has taken the view not only that Israel influenced Trump to launch the war, but that Israel gave Trump no choice, and in fact that outside forces control both American political parties, which he described as the "uniparty," a single organization. Carlson's theories have raised questions about antisemitism — a charge he denied before being asked. Carlson also revisits his years as a cable-TV partisan, talks about a possible third party and explains why he believes both major parties have failed Americans.

In response to a request for comment from NPR, the White House did not address Carlson's claims specifically, instead sending along a social media post by the president that describes Carlson and others as "stupid people" who want Iran to have a nuclear weapon.

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