Unashamed with the Robertson Family
Unashamed with the Robertson Family

Ep 1399 | Zach Admits His Crisis of Faith—and the Terrifying Question that Crushed Him

August 14, 2026

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A Crisis of Faith and the Question That Nearly Crushed Him

Zach Robertson was 26 years old, lying awake at 2 AM, staring at his wife and newborn children in a house he had just bought with a job he was proud of. And he was drowning. "I don't know if this is true," he recalls thinking. "This whole thing I built my life on. I don't even know if it's true, and if it's not true, then nothing really matters."

He went into his office, pulled out a piece of paper, and wrote a prayer: "God, if you're there, which I doubt, and if you answer prayers, which I also doubt, I need to know because I'm drowning." He folded it, put it in a drawer, and five years later pulled it out and wept again—because God had revealed Himself in a way Zach never imagined possible.

That crisis, he explains, was the direct result of a toxic understanding of faith that had been drilled into him his entire Christian life.

The False War Between Faith and Reason

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What you'll learn

  • 1 (00:01) **Opening & Family Banter** - The Robertsons gather for another Hillsdale theology episode, trading stories about their wild childhoods and the "Dasher" DNA that leads their kids to push every boundary.
  • 2 (11:04) **Introducing Thomas Aquinas: Faith vs. Reason** - The episode moves into Lecture 6 on Thomas Aquinas, whose central contribution was reconciling the apparent dilemma between faith and reason.
  • 3 (16:29) **Participating in the Divine Life** - Al connects Aquinas’s concept of "participation" in God’s life to a sermon on Job, where Job’s suffering stripped everything away so he could finally see God clearly.
  • 4 (21:05) **The "Fluffy the Squirrel" Analogy** - The lecture’s memorable analogy is dissected: a squirrel can live with a human but not truly participate in their life unless it is given the ability to communicate.
  • 5 (25:50) **Aquinas on Faith and Reason** - Zach explains that Aquinas tried to merge faith and reason, arguing that God can be known through rational faculties, which challenges the common view that faith is belief without reason.
  • 6 (27:24) **Zach’s Crisis of Faith** - Zach describes the terrifying existential moment when he realized he didn’t know if Christianity was true, writing a desperate prayer: "God, if you’re there, which I doubt… I need to know because I’m drowning."
  • 7 (33:48) **The Debate That Changed Everything** - Soon after his crisis, Zach’s dad debated an atheist student on campus, and Zach was devastated because the atheist’s arguments seemed logically sound.

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Show Notes

Zach opens up about the crisis of faith that left him questioning whether Christianity was true at all, including the terrifying question that shook him to his core. His awakening to the role of reason in faith leads the guys to put the modern “my truth” mindset to the test and challenge what happens when personal belief becomes more powerful than reality. Al sets the record straight in a decades-old Robertson brotherly squabble about the summer 7-year-old Al was put in charge of his younger brothers while Willie recovered from a serious injury. 


In this episode: Romans 1, verse 20; Mark 8, verses 22–26; Job 42, verses 2–6; John 9, verses 1–3; Romans 8, verse 26; John 14, verse 9; Mark 9, verses 14–24; John 20, verse 29; 2 Timothy 3, verse 16


Today’s conversation is about Lesson 6 of Theology 101: The Western Theological Tradition taught by various Hillsdale Professors. Take the course with us at no cost to you! 


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Chapters

00:00 The Robertson Kids Were Basically Feral

07:32 How God Transformed the Robertson Family

15:02 Faith vs. Reason

18:24 Job Finally Sees God Clearly

22:15 Fluffy the Squirrel Takes Over Theology Class

27:12 Can We Really Know God?

31:10 Zach’s Crisis of Faith

35:28 The Debate That Shook Zach’s Beliefs

38:42 Are We Treating God Like a Fan Club?

42:06 Aquinas’ Stunning Encounter With Jesus

47:02 The Secret to Working & Resting Well

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