UAP EP 225 Jordan Flowers part 2 - Taking the Steps to Disclosure

August 28, 2026

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In a recent interview on the UAP podcast, David Grusch described direct communication with extraterrestrial beings and the recovery of biologics—claims that surprised even Dr. Phil. Jordan Flowers, founder of the Disclosure Foundation, explains why that moment matters and what it reveals about the current state of the disclosure effort. More importantly, he lays out the actual legal and procedural machinery behind the push for transparency, clarifying what recent executive actions do and do not allow, why subpoenas are not a silver bullet, and how his team has found a potentially powerful loophole in federal recordkeeping law.

What the NDA guidance actually does

When the president signed a memo directing the Office of the Director of National Intelligence to issue guidance on waiving UAP-related NDAs, many interpreted it as a green light for whistleblowers to speak freely to the public. Flowers pushes back hard on that reading. The guidance, he says, was never intended to be a full release from NDAs that would allow someone to disclose sensitive national security information on a podcast. Instead, it clarifies that people with NDAs can now go talk to the relevant government entities—specifically AARO and the newly formed UAP governance structure—without fear of legal consequences. It is, in Flowers' words, a "process clarification."

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What you'll learn

1 (05:00) **David Grusch's Dr. Phil Interview and Direct Appeals to the President** - Jordan analyzes the impact of Grusch's recent public comments and the strategy of direct video appeals to the President.
2 (11:48) **Clarifying the Presidential NDA Order and the DLA Piper Memo** - A detailed breakdown of the recent presidential memo on NDAs, what it actually allows, and the confusion surrounding it.
3 (19:03) **Protected Disclosures to Congress vs. the Executive Branch** - Distinguishing between the new NDA guidance and the pre-existing legal right to talk to Congress.
4 (23:18) **The Case for Subpoenas: John Kozlovski and Congressional Strategy** - Jordan discusses the need for accountability, specifically calling for John Kozlovski to testify, and the complexities of using subpoenas.
5 (33:05) **The Presidential Disclosure Speech: A Reality Check** - Jordan offers his honest assessment on the likelihood and form of a presidential speech on UAP.
6 (36:15) **New Initiative: The NASA Archival Review** - Jordan reveals a new project where the Disclosure Foundation will help NASA submit its UAP records to the National Archives.
7 (37:34) **Major Reveal: The FFRDC Records Loophole** - Jordan unveils a new legal strategy to force Federally Funded Research and Development Centers (FFRDCs) to turn over UAP records.

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Guests on this episode

Jordan Flowers David Grusch

Show Notes

Executive Director of the Disclosure Foundation, Jordan Flowers, returns for part two of his conversation with Stephen Diener as they break down the real life steps that are currently taking place, or should be taking place towards disclosure. Plus, Jordan reveals a game changing move that might bring down the whole house of cards. All of that and so much more in this episode...

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