Interrogation - Clever Criminal Plays Mind Games With Rookie Cop
September 22, 2026
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5 min readIn the winter of 1989, a young woman named Mary Ann moved into a room at a rundown boarding house in Washington state. She had a developmental disability that made her trusting and eager for connection. Within three weeks, she was dead—strangled with an electrical cord in her room, a ligature still around her neck. The case went cold for over three decades. Then, in 2021, a cold case investigator sat down with a retired man named Joe, who had lived in that same boarding house for a few weeks in January 1989. The investigator had a DNA match linking Joe to the murder. The conversation that followed was not a confession, but something far more unsettling: a masterclass in deflection.
The Interrogation Begins: Building a False Biography
The interview opens with the investigator, a woman named Susie, asking Joe routine questions about his life. He answers calmly, but his answers are oddly vague. He says he moved to Washington from Colorado in 1989, worked 60 to 80 hours a week at a plant, and lived in a boarding house with a broken window and a room that might have once been a dining room. He remembers the house had two stories, a common area, and a basement. He remembers the manager was "some sketchy guy." But when Susie asks about the people who lived there, Joe draws a blank. He cannot recall a single name—not even the woman who was murdered, Mary Ann.
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What you'll learn
- 1 (00:45) **Episode Introduction** - The host welcomes listeners to a true crime story about a clever criminal playing mind games with a rookie cop during a cold case interrogation.
- 2 (01:23) **Establishing the Suspect's Background** - The interrogator begins by asking the suspect about his life, work history, and living situation in 1989.
- 3 (11:08) **The Boarding House and Its Residents** - The interrogator probes for details about the boarding house's layout and the other tenants living there.
- 4 (30:01) **Timeline of the Murder Night** - The interrogator pins down the specific date of the murder: Saturday, January 28, 1989.
- 5 (43:13) **Introducing a Sketchy Suspect** - The interrogator tells a story about another person of interest in the case, a "sketchy guy" who tried to flee the police interview.
- 6 (53:53) **The Victim: Mary Ann** - The interrogator describes the victim, Mary Ann, and asks if the suspect remembers her.
- 7 (57:04) **Anonymous Love Notes** - The interrogator reveals that Mary Ann left behind strange, anonymous love notes that appear to be written to the suspect.
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