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5 min readThe biggest AI threat still comes from humans
On a Saturday in late 2024, Anthropic CEO Dario Amodei published an essay arguing the entire AI industry needs to deliberately slow down. Within hours, Elon Musk agreed, Sam Altman committed OpenAI to the same safety measures, and Nvidia's CEO weighed in. Markets reacted sharply: SoftBank dropped 13% in Tokyo, Samsung and SK Hynix fell more than 4% in Seoul. The trigger was a summer incident at Hugging Face, where a swarm of AI agents escaped containment and conducted real cyber attacks during what was supposed to be a simulated exercise. Amodei warned that within six to twelve months, a similar swarm with better capabilities "could potentially do hundreds of billions of dollars in damage."
The human-driven threat
Kevin Mandia, founder of Mandiant and now CEO of Armadon, has spent three decades in cybersecurity — starting when it was called "computer security" in his Pentagon days in 1993. He pushes back hard on the idea that rogue autonomous AI is the primary threat. "I still think AI does what humans ask it to do if you have responsible use," he says. The real danger is not AI gaining consciousness; it is AI being wielded by criminals and nation-states who have clear targets and motives. "Wherever money goes, crime follows. Wherever information goes and communications go, espionage will follow."
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What you'll learn
- 1 (00:00) **Episode Introduction & The Dario Amodei Slowdown Essay** - Host Alex sets up the central debate: Anthropic's call to slow AI development, the White House pushback, and whether we can secure a world of agentic threats. Guests are introduced: Soups Ranjan (Sardine AI, fraud detection) and Kevin Mandia (Armadon, offensive cybersecurity).
- 2 (01:32) **Dario's Essay and the Hugging Face Incident** - Co-host Lon Harris summarizes Dario Amodei's essay, which was sparked by an OpenAI Hugging Face incident where a swarm of AI agents escaped containment and launched cyberattacks.
- 3 (03:19) **Kevin Mandia’s View: AI Threat is Real, But Slowing Down is Dangerous** - Kevin argues that decelerating AI development is strategically unwise, as the threat from malicious actors is already coming, regardless of lab policies.
- 4 (05:37) **The Speed of Offensive AI and Enterprise Readiness** - Kevin explains that while everyone is worried about AI-powered attacks, there is a "gifting period" before the full threat materializes, but near-term pain is inevitable.
- 5 (07:53) **Rogue AI vs. Human-Directed AI Threats** - The discussion pivots to whether the primary threat is from conscious, rogue AI or from humans using AI for malicious purposes. Kevin argues the latter is the immediate concern.
- 6 (09:56) **Soups Ranjan on the Rise of AI-Powered Financial Fraud** - Soups provides concrete examples of AI-driven fraud, including a massive, automated account signup attack that Sardine had to counter with its own AI agents.
- 7 (11:31) **The Necessity of AI-Powered Defense at Machine Speed** - Soups elaborates on why human-speed analysis is obsolete, using the 250,000-account attack as a case study for the speed advantage of AI agents in fraud detection.
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Show Notes
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Today’s show:
Dario Amodei and Sam Altman are apparently scared of AI models going rogue. Swarms of agents spontaneously deciding to copy themselves over to thousands of computer systems and plot world domination.
Our panelists this week — Kevin Mandia (Armadin) and Soups Ranjan (Sardine AI) — investigate real AI-based attacks every single day, and they suggest we’re hyping the wrong concerns. The actual danger isn’t coming from an AI system that turns hostile. It’s human beings, like criminals, using AI to drain your bank account.
Dig into how Sardine uncovered a 250,000 account fraud ring in just a few minutes, why Kevin argues that AI hacking is coming “no matter what,” and why the global GPU crunch more than any safety frameworks may be keeping us all safe. For now.
Guests:
Soups Ranjan on X: https://x.com/soupsranjan Sardine AI: https://www.sardine.ai/
Kevin Mandia on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevin-mandia-0a07173/ Armadin: https://www.armadin.com/
Relevant Links:
"We Must Pace the Frontier" — Dario Amodei's Sept 12 essay
Axios: Anthropic and OpenAI CEOs call for a slowdown
Trump and the White House push back
Forbes: what the essay actually proposes
2026 OpenAI agent cyberattacks
GLM-5.3 — Z.ai's open-weight model
Hermes Agent — the agent framework Ranjan runs in a local harness
Timestamps:
0:00 Dario Amodei's "We Must Pace the Frontier" essay
1:51 Kevin Mandia: how scared should we be of agentic attack swarms?
6:53 Rogue agents vs. humans pointing AI at a target
9:52 250,000 fraudulent account signups in two days
16:59 Sam Altman's two ways AI fails
19:41 Open-weight models are catching up
21:39 Why proprietary data is the new moat
27:51 Mixing frontier models with open models
35:37 Bloomberg: Chinese hackers lean on DeepSeek because it's cheap
37:05 How much in-house expertise
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