Ep 221 Electroconvulsive Therapy Part 2: A current conversation
September 8, 2026
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5 min readA five-year-old girl arrived at the hospital with seizures and was diagnosed with epilepsy. When she returned with unusual movements and mutism—a state of complete unresponsiveness—doctors diagnosed her with catatonia. Further testing revealed anti-NMDA receptor encephalitis, an autoimmune condition where the body attacks its own brain tissue. For nine months, she received immunotherapy and high-dose benzodiazepines. She remained catatonic: unable to speak, dress, or feed herself, reliant on a feeding tube and total nursing care. Her medical team, having exhausted standard treatments, began discussing electroconvulsive therapy (ECT).
ECT is a gold-standard treatment for catatonia, with very high response rates regardless of the underlying cause. But treating a five-year-old was unusual—catatonia in young children has been historically underrecognized. With her parents' consent, she was transferred to Dr. Leonardo Lopez's hospital. After eight weeks of ECT, her catatonia resolved entirely. She began speaking, walking, playing games, and drawing. By Thanksgiving, she was eating a full meal with her family. As Dr. Lopez, vice chair for inpatient services and associate professor of clinical psychiatry at Weill Cornell Medical College, describes it, this case is "a testament to the power of the treatment, particularly for catatonia, and a reminder that we do have this treatment ava
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What you'll learn
- 1 (02:13) **Opening Case: Five-Year-Old with Anti-NMDA Receptor Encephalitis** - Dr. Lopez introduces a real patient whose catatonia was resolved by ECT after nine months of failed treatments.
- 2 (06:44) **Episode Roadmap: What ECT Actually Looks Like Today** - The hosts set up the episode's goal: demystify the modern ECT procedure, its uses, and its future.
- 3 (13:19) **ECT Defined and Indications Reviewed** - A recap of what ECT is and the psychiatric conditions it is used to treat.
- 4 (14:06) **Step-by-Step: The Modern ECT Procedure** - A detailed, chronological description of what a patient experiences during a single ECT session.
- 5 (19:04) **Electrode Placement: Right Foot, Right Unilateral, and Why It Matters** - Explanation of how electrode placement affects side effects and efficacy.
- 6 (21:30) **Seizure Threshold and Measuring Effectiveness** - How doctors determine the right electrical dose and judge if the treatment is working.
- 7 (24:10) **What If the Seizure Doesn't Stop?** - Managing prolonged seizures and the typical course of ECT.
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Show Notes
This week, we’re picking up where we left off last episode in our exploration of ECT by examining how this therapy is administered, which conditions it’s used for, and what we know about why it works. To start off, we take you through the procedure step-by-step, including prep and what someone might experience in the days or weeks that follow. We then examine the situations for which ECT might be recommended as well as the barriers preventing its wider use, which include issues with both access and stigma. How on earth does an electric shock improve symptoms of depression or catatonia? That burning question is one we do our best to answer. To help us present an accurate and comprehensive perspective of this important but underutilized therapy, we bring on an expert. Dr. Leonardo Lopez, Associate Professor of Psychiatry at Weill Cornell Medicine and Vice Chair of Inpatient Services in the Department of Psychiatry, works alongside NewYork-Presbyterian to expand access to ECT across multiple hospitals (check out the Advances in Care podcast episode featuring his work, The Positive Impact of Electroconvulsive Therapy for Severe Psychiatric Illness). Dr. Lopez shares with us a remarkable story of a young girl whose rare condition (anti-NMDA receptor encephalitis) was treated in part with ECT (watch the video of her journey). He also shines a light on the current limitations facing ECT as well as his hopes for the future. Tune in for a truly fascinating episode!
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