The Way I Heard It with Mike Rowe
The Way I Heard It with Mike Rowe

492: Jon Erwin—Young Washington

June 30, 2026

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Young Washington: How Failure Forged the Father of a Nation

Filmmaker Jon Erwin spent a decade making Young Washington, a film that opens in theaters nationwide on July 3rd—the only theatrical release celebrating the American story on the 250th anniversary of independence. But the movie isn't about the George Washington of cherry-tree myths or Revolutionary War portraits. It's about the unknown young man who built a fort in the wrong place, got his men killed, and then spent years recovering from a failure so complete it could have ended any ordinary career. Erwin's argument, developed through ten years of research and filmmaking, is that Washington's greatness was forged not in success but in a single catastrophic defeat at Fort Necessity when he was just 23 years old.

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What you'll learn

  • 1 (00:03) **Introduction & Hook** - Mike Rowe introduces John Erwin and his film *Young Washington*, a movie about the unknown early life of George Washington.
  • 2 (07:28) **On Failure and Leadership** - The conversation begins with a discussion of failure as a forge for great leaders.
  • 3 (11:05) **The Decade-Long Journey** - Erwin describes the ten-year process of making *Young Washington* and the lessons he learned about motivation and success.
  • 4 (16:00) **The Power of "The Way I Heard It"** - Mike and John discuss the art of telling unknown stories about famous people, and the philosophical difference between "finished" and "unfinished" art.
  • 5 (20:24) **Emotional Archaeology** - Erwin explains his approach to making history feel visceral, calling it "emotional archaeology."
  • 6 (26:03) **Stories That Pull You Up** - The discussion turns to the cultural need for stories that grapple with real grit but through a lens of optimism.
  • 7 (30:06) **The "So Help Me God" Riddle** - Mike shares his own story about Washington’s first inaugural address and the ambiguity around whether he said "So help me God."

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Show Notes

Before he became the Father of His Country, George Washington was a young man with doubts, ambitions, failures, and a calling that would eventually shape a nation. Mike sits down with filmmaker and entrepreneur Jon Erwin to discuss his new film Young Washington, and to explore the remarkable true story behind America's most iconic founder.

Jon also shares how he launched The Wonder Project and his mission to tell stories that elevate faith, hope, and the human spirit. Along the way, he recounts the extraordinary legacy of his grandfather, a recipient of the Medal of Honor whose courage during World War II left an indelible mark on his family. It's a conversation about character, conviction, and the people who inspire history long before history remembers their names.

This July 4th, make Young Washington part of your Independence Day celebration. See the film, share it with your community, and help spark civic curiosity about the character, leadership, and founding principles that continue to shape our nation. Get tickets here: https://bit.ly/TWIHIYoungWashington

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