Nat & Liv From The Girls Talk Getting Real, Lindsey Clancy Trial, DWTS Rumored Cast

August 25, 2026

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"One in a thousand women experience postpartum psychosis," Angela, the show's booker, explains from her own experience. "And what’s scary is differentiating between what they're going through and what most mothers experience." This episode of The Viall Files weaves together two very different conversations: a lighthearted interview with Nat and Liv, stars of the new Hulu series The Girls, and a sobering discussion of the Lindsey Clancy trial, which has ignited intense online discourse about postpartum mental illness, accountability, and the limits of public sympathy.

The Casting of The Girls and the Nature of Modern Fame

The episode opens with Nick and his wife Natalie unpacking the rumored cast for the upcoming season of Dancing with the Stars. The conversation reveals a key insight into how fame works today. The rumored lineup includes a mix of traditional celebrities (Julia Stiles, Jenna Dewan), Bachelor Nation alumni (Tyler Cameron), and social media personalities. As Nick puts it, “What’s the difference between a star and an influencer at this point on a show like Dancing with the Stars?” The show’s casting strategy, he explains, is to pull from "various popular niche audiences" — from TikTok sensations like the Savannah Bananas to legacy franchises like The Bachelor — to build a roster that captures different segments of the viewing public.

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What you'll learn

1 (00:29) **Episode Kickoff & Host Banter** - Nick and Natalie introduce the episode, discuss their weekend with family and friends, and preview the main segments.
2 (04:33) **Dancing with the Stars: Confirmed & Rumored Cast** - Nick and Natalie break down the newly leaked and officially announced cast for the upcoming season.
3 (07:52) **DWTS Casting Deep Dive & Analysis** - The hosts analyze the strategy behind the show's casting choices and the mix of celebrity and influencer talent.
4 (17:10) **The Umanskys: Family First & Relatable Moments** - Nick and Natalie praise Kyle and Mauricio Umansky for their wholesome back-to-college vlog, highlighting their relatable, down-to-earth family dynamic.
5 (20:02) **Gina's Son's Side Hustle & Kid Chores** - The hosts discuss a viral post from *RHOC*'s Gina about her son power-washing trash cans, leading to a conversation about teaching kids responsibility.
6 (22:41) **Parenting Moments: River's Smarts & Toddler Curiosity** - Nick shares a funny story about his daughter River remembering the lyrics to "Let It Go" from *Frozen* after over a year, sparking a discussion on toddler intelligence.
7 (29:03) **Interview: Nat & Liv from "The Girls"** - Nick and Natalie welcome Nat and Liv, cousins and stars of the new Hulu show, to discuss their friendship with the Kardashian-Jenner circle and their new reality series.

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Show Notes

Welcome back to The Viall Files: Reality Recap!

Nat and Liv from The Girls join to talk about their new show, why this group felt ready to return to reality TV together, life in the Kardashian orbit, WAG culture, and more! Later, we discuss the Lindsay Clancy case, specifically postpartum depression and anxiety, and how the internet can distort sensitive stories in real time. Plus, rumored Dancing with the Stars cast.

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