The Vergecast
The Vergecast

Netflix is turning into YouTube

July 10, 2026

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Netflix is turning into YouTube — and that might be the plan. The Vergecast hosts David Pierce and Nilay Patel argue that Netflix has drifted from its long-held position as the indispensable streaming subscription into something much harder to define. A Bloomberg report about massive audience drop-offs between season one and season two of hit shows, combined with Netflix’s moves into podcasts, YouTube-style videos, and gaming, suggests the company is no longer trying to be HBO. Instead, it is chasing the same attention-minutes strategy that powers YouTube and TikTok — a race it is almost certainly going to lose.

The season-two problem and what it reveals

The Bloomberg report that kicked off the conversation showed a recurring pattern: Netflix produces a hit first season, then loses a huge share of the audience on the second. Beef was the starkest example — a zeitgeisty, award-winning first season followed by a second season that almost nobody watched. This is not an isolated case. The hosts argue that this reveals a deeper structural problem. Netflix has become a "trailing indicator of what's cool," as Ryan Broderick put it. By the time a show makes it to the screen, the cultural moment that inspired it has passed. The company’s new studio head, Dan Lin, is described in a New York Times profile as a numbers-driven executive who knows "how much each movie should cost" and

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What you'll learn

  • 1 (01:30) **Show opens with banter about iPods and kids' music** - David Pierce returns from travels and talks about reviving an old iPod for his daughter, contrasting it with modern streaming and kid-focused music players.
  • 2 (05:07) **Netflix is losing its identity** - The hosts argue Netflix is no longer a guaranteed subscription and is starting to flail, moving it up the "Go 90 scale of doom" from a zero.
  • 3 (08:01) **The creator economy forces Netflix's hand** - Netflix lacks a creator strategy and is late to a world where talent and attention live on free platforms like YouTube and Instagram.
  • 4 (11:49) **Netflix's losing battle against YouTube** - The hosts argue Netflix is now in a race to become YouTube before YouTube overtakes it, and YouTube is winning.
  • 5 (19:40) **Hot take: Netflix should buy Xbox** - A proposal that Netflix could solve its gaming and mobile attention problem by acquiring Microsoft's struggling Xbox division.
  • 6 (25:24) **Meta's smart glasses are building a privacy panopticon** - The hosts discuss Meta's push into always-recording glasses and the societal backlash against facial recognition and surveillance.
  • 7 (47:14) **The iPod as a symbol of a different tech path** - David's daughter's iPod represents a desire for offline, owned media, contrasting with the always-on, surveillance-heavy future of smart glasses and AI.

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Guests on this episode

David Pierce Nilay Patel

Show Notes

Netflix makes shows. And movies. And podcasts. And games. And… YouTube videos, apparently. So what even is Netflix anymore? Nilay and David have ideas. After that, they talk about Meta’s ongoing smart glasses mess, and whether Meta or anyone can make these devices work. Finally, it's time for Brendan Carr, RAMageddon, the state of X, and a dumb TV mystery.


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