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20VC: The AI Boom Will Create Enormous Roadkill: Who Wins & Loses | Why Founders Should Never Take Multi-Stage Money at Seed | Why Triple, Triple, Double, Double is Good Enough

August 8, 2026

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The AI Wave Will Create Enormous Roadkill

David Frankel, founder of Founder Collective, has been investing at seed stage for 18 years—through internet, SaaS, mobile, and now AI. He was the first check in Uber, Kupong, SeatGeek, PilPack, Olo, Shield AI, and Suno. In conversation with Harry Stebbings, he explains why the current moment is unlike anything before, why he refuses to raise a larger fund, and what most people misunderstand about seed investing today.

Why Seed Is Crowded but Not Dead

Frankel describes seed as "commoditized" and "incredibly tough." The problem is structural: funds in the $50–100 million range are too big to write $200K collaborative checks but too small to lead $8–10 million seed rounds. They get squeezed from both sides. Meanwhile, multi-stage firms are using their growth funds to write large seed checks as "call options"—insurance policies that give them a seat at the table without deep commitment.

But Frankel argues seed remains viable for disciplined firms. His data shows that of the top 500 companies created in the last 25 years, the median exit is $2.6 billion. Owning 5% of one such company returns an entire fund. "You can wait and wait and wait, and then you just see someone—a founder or a team—and you go, I have to be there." That conviction, he says, is the drug that makes early-stage investing work.

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What you'll learn

  • 1 (05:16) **Why Seed Is the Hardest Part of the Market** - David explains the structural squeeze on mid-sized seed funds and why the $50-100M fund size is the worst place to be.
  • 2 (08:36) **Why Founders Use Early-Stage VCs as an "Insurance Policy"** - David reveals that smart entrepreneurs are deliberately including smaller, patient seed funds alongside mega-platform checks.
  • 3 (10:04) **The "Value Investor" Trap in a Hype-Driven Market** - The conversation turns to whether price still matters and how David navigates the tension between being contrarian and being left behind.
  • 4 (12:50) **The Difference Between a Founder and an Entrepreneur** - David distinguishes between the ease of starting a company and the rare fortitude required to build one.
  • 5 (14:49) **The "Alchemy" of Co-Founder Dynamics** - David shares his framework for evaluating the CEO-CTO relationship at the earliest stage.
  • 6 (17:16) **Is "Triple, Triple, Double, Double" Dead?** - David challenges the notion that slow, steady growth is no longer a venture pathway.
  • 7 (20:26) **The AI Wave: Massive Roadkill, But the Biggest Wave of Our Lives** - David provides his macro view on the current AI boom and its inevitable casualties.

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Show Notes

David Frankel is one of the great seed investors of our time. As the Co-Founder of Founder Collective he has backed the likes of Uber, Coupang, Suno, PillPack, Airtable, Whoop, Shield AI and many more. In a world of expanding fund sizes, David and Founder Collective are one of the only successful franchises to truly stick to small, boutique funds. 

AGENDA:

00:00 The Bubbles Are Getting Bigger—and There Will Be a Lot of Roadkill

05:21 The Worst-Performing Funds Will Be the $50M–$100M Seed Funds

25:06 "We're Greedy for Returns, Not Management Fees"

30:10 "Pro Rata Is the Original Sin"

32:59 "A $1BN Valuation Is the New Series A"

46:39 "I Have Never Seen Secondary Markets This Liquid"

58:03 Microsoft Has Done a Crappy Job of AI—and Another Dot-Com Crash Is Inevitable

01:08:25 OpenAI and Anthropic Will Be Disrupted—and China Could Do It

01:16:12 "Anyone Who Claims They Knew Is Full of Shit"

01:19:56 Our Children Won't Need to Drive—and Chemotherapy Will Look Prehistoric

 

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