#883: How to Legalize Medical Psychedelics in Your Country — Tania de Jong on The Playbook Behind Australia's World-First Breakthrough

September 18, 2026

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How a Non-Expert Couple Made Australia the First Country to Legalize Medical Psychedelics

Tania de Jong had never taken any drug in her life until she read Tim Ferriss's 2015 blog post about donating $100,000 to a Johns Hopkins psilocybin study. She clicked the link, read Michael Pollan's New Yorker article, and told her husband Peter they had to do this. He thought she had lost her mind. Within a few years, they had co-founded Mind Medicine Australia and orchestrated a campaign that in 2023 made Australia the first country in the world to allow MDMA and psilocybin to be prescribed for psychiatric conditions—a feat that stunned the global psychedelic community and offers a playbook for anyone trying to move an ambitious, underdog project through entrenched systems.

The Personal Experience That Created the Mission

De Jong and her husband were not researchers, clinicians, or drug enthusiasts. They were serial philanthropists who had already founded five charities. After reading about psychedelics, they contacted Robin Carhart-Harris, then a leading psychedelic researcher, who told them they didn't qualify for trials because they had no mental illness diagnosis. He connected them with a guide in the Netherlands.

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What you'll learn

1 (02:34) **Personal Origin Story: Tania's First Psychedelic Experience** - Tania describes how reading Tim's 2015 blog post about a Johns Hopkins psilocybin study sparked her journey, leading her and her husband to a guided session in the Netherlands.
2 (10:44) **Building the Foundation: From Personal Experience to a National Charity** - After immersing themselves in the global psychedelic research community, Tania and her husband founded Mind Medicine Australia in 2019.
3 (13:14) **The First Setbacks: Two TGA Rejections and a Pivot to Strategy** - Mind Medicine Australia's initial two applications to the Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA) to reschedule the medicines were rejected.
4 (21:37) **Mobilizing a Movement: Chapters, Templates, and a Clinician Army** - To build public pressure, MMA created a decentralized network of over 30 community chapters across Australia and began training clinicians in psychedelic-assisted therapy.
5 (25:28) **The Power of a Roadshow: Flying in David Nutt for a Whirlwind Tour** - A key strategic move was flying in renowned psychopharmacologist Professor David Nutt for a tour of Australia to address packed town halls, black-tie events, and even the TGA itself.
6 (38:55) **The Tipping Point: A Personal Story at the TGA** - The decisive moment came when MMA arranged for David Nutt and a widow named Vanessa to present directly to TGA staff.
7 (42:42) **The Breakthrough: Australia Becomes the World's First** - In February 2023, the TGA announced it had rescheduled MDMA and psilocybin, making Australia the first country in the world to legalize their prescription for psychiatric conditions.

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Show Notes

My guest today is Tania de Jong, co-founder of Mind Medicine Australia. Tania and her husband, Peter, helped lead the push that, in 2023, made Australia the first country in the world to allow MDMA and psilocybin to be prescribed for psychiatric conditions. I wanted to understand how the hell they helped make that happen and what the rest of the world can learn from it.

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Timestamps

[00:00:00] Intro from Tim.

[00:02:46] The article that changed Tania’s life.

[00:04:39] A first psychedelic experience—and the year it took to integrate it.

[00:10:17] Rick Doblin’s encouragement and the birth of Mind Medicine Australia.

[00:13:15] Turning regulatory rejection into a stronger application.

[00:20:48] Building a grassroots movement and training clinicians.

[00:23:23] Cold emails, scientific allies, and singing your way into the room.

[00:31:11] A week with Ram Dass: silence, singing, and an extraordinary LSD story.

[00:37:54] Bringing David Nutt—and a family’s devastating story—to the regulators.

[00:42:42] Dancing in the kitchen: Australia’s rescheduling breakthrough.

[00:43:40] From changing the rules to treating patients.

[00:48:18] Why Tim thinks MDMA is still underestimated.

[00:50:23] Integration beyond the session: therapy, nutrition, and exercise.

[00:52:29] Scaling access and collecting real-world evidence.

[00:58:13] Getting insurers, government agencies, and philanthropists on board.

[01:01:39] Syrian rue, psilocybin, and learning to let go of control.

[01:10:01] Dosing, expectations, and the pressure to take more.

[01:12:02] The promise of group therapy and shared integration.