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5 min readKyle Vonwinkle spent 25 years at the FBI, serving in both the Hostage Rescue Team (HRT) and the Crisis Negotiation Unit (CNU)—a combination so rare that he may be one of the few people to have done both. In this conversation, he walks through his career from a rebellious youth in San Diego to West Point, the Army, and eventually the FBI, where he helped pioneer the integration of HRT operators with JSOC units in Iraq and Afghanistan. He also recounts his central role in two of the most high-profile domestic crisis operations of the 21st century: the Boston Marathon bombing aftermath and the Alabama bunker rescue of five-year-old Ethan.
From West Point to the FBI
Vonwinkle describes himself as a "wayward youth" who barely got into West Point—it was the only school he applied to—and struggled with the regimented life there. After graduating, he branched into the Military Police, a choice driven by his goal of joining the FBI. He learned early that "leaders lend their nervous system" to their teams: when leading a platoon into a riot at Guantanamo, he was terrified inside but knew he had to project calm because "everyone looks to that leader." After a clerical error nearly derailed his FBI application—he drove two and a half hours to challenge his rejection and was told he'd been placed in the wrong pile—he entered the Bureau in 1998.
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What you'll learn
- 1 (03:40) **Early Life & West Point** - Kyle describes growing up near Miramar, being a rebellious kid, and visiting his brother at West Point, which sparked his desire for military discipline.
- 2 (07:08) **Struggling at West Point** - Kyle details his difficult adjustment to the regimented life, including getting in trouble for a forbidden pep rally.
- 3 (09:23) **Discovering the FBI & Military Police** - Kyle explains how a visit to the FBI range led him to choose the Military Police branch to boost his FBI application.
- 4 (11:43) **First Leadership Test: Gitmo Riots** - Kyle describes leading his platoon during a riot at Guantanamo Bay, learning that leaders must project calm even when internally nervous.
- 5 (16:50) **Clerical Error Nearly Derails FBI Career** - Kyle shares how he was initially rejected from the FBI but drove to the office to challenge the decision, discovering a clerical error.
- 6 (18:00) **FBI Academy & First Assignment** - Kyle contrasts the "gentleman's course" of the FBI Academy with his military experience and describes his unexpected assignment to counterintelligence in LA.
- 7 (21:27) **LA SWAT & The Golden Globes** - Kyle recounts joining the LA SWAT team, the heightened emotions of hunting a cop killer, and a surreal night at the Golden Globes.
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00:00 – Start
01:27 – Growing Up in San Diego & Wanting to Serve
05:38 – A Rebellious Kid Goes to West Point
07:55 – Discovering the FBI While at West Point
09:17 – Military Police, Korea & Guantanamo Bay
10:14 – Taking Back a Rioting Refugee Camp
13:17 – Learning to Lead While You’re Scared
14:35 – Leaving the Army & Applying to the FBI
18:41 – Counterintelligence & FBI SWAT in Los Angeles
21:38 – Manhunts for Cop Killers
23:31 – Working Security at the Golden Globes
26:07 – FBI SWAT Raids a Las Vegas Strip Club
28:34 – 9/11 & the FBI’s Immediate Response
30:18 – Training for FBI Hostage Rescue Team Selection
33:11 – Inside the Brutal HRT Selection Process
36:09 – Failing HRT Selection Because of His Ego
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