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The NSFW Framework and the Magic of Community-Product Fit with Amanda Goetz

November 18, 2021

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Amanda Goetz built House of Wise, a sexual wellness and CBD company, by first building a community of women on Twitter and Slack, then co-creating the product with them. She launched with 500 micro-affiliates already in place, making the product feel like it was everywhere on day one. The conversation explores how to build businesses around stigmatized topics — what the hosts call the "NSFW framework" — and why starting with community rather than product can be a powerful strategy when you're operating in a space people are afraid to talk about.

The NSFW Framework

The episode's central idea is that stigmatized industries — cannabis, psychedelics, sexual wellness — represent a massive, underbuilt opportunity. The hosts argue that because these topics have been taboo, the infrastructure, product companies, and service layers around them are underdeveloped. As stigma fades, there is room to build. The key is to recognize that education is the first bottleneck: people don't know what they don't know, and they carry inherited narratives from previous generations. The hosts call this the "NSFW framework" — building businesses around things people are afraid to talk about at work. The bet is that stigma is fading, and the businesses built now will reap outsized rewards as cultural consensus shifts.

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What you'll learn

  • 1 (00:15) **Episode Introduction** - Hosts Greg and Greg set up the episode's themes: the "NSFW framework" for business building and the power of community-product fit.
  • 2 (02:24) **The Challenge of Unwinding** - Hosts discuss personal strategies for disconnecting from work and constant notifications.
  • 3 (07:25) **Destigmatization as a Business Thesis** - The hosts explore building businesses around stigmatized industries (cannabis, psychedelics) by betting on future normalization.
  • 4 (11:13) **The "River Guide" Concierge Idea** - Greg pitches a business concept: a premium concierge service that educates and connects people to safe psychedelic experiences.
  • 5 (18:13) **The Challenges of the Middleman Model** - Amanda Goetz critiques the concierge idea, highlighting the unsolved problems of quality control and safe acquisition.
  • 6 (23:49) **Amanda's Origin Story: From Divorce to House of Wise** - Amanda shares her personal journey, including homeschooling three kids during COVID while starting a business.
  • 7 (27:41) **Introducing Amanda Goetz** - The hosts formally welcome Amanda and pitch her the "River Guide" concierge idea for psychedelic experiences.

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Show Notes

Sometimes the best products don't start as products. On this episode of Where It Happens, Amanda Goetz (@AmandaMGoetz), founder of House of Wise, shares her amazing journey of building a community and creating products that are breaking the stigmas surrounding women's health. Hosts Greg Isenberg (@gregisenberg) and Sahil Bloom @sahilbloom) explore a news concierge business and discuss the potential of the NSFW framework.


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