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5 min readThe Credibility Business and the Aesthetic Edge
A conversation between Greg Isenberg and Daniel Dalen on startup ideas, embeddable businesses, and building with taste
The Plaque Business: Selling Credibility
Greg opened with a deceptively simple observation: a dentist's office proudly displayed a "Best Dentist in America" plaque, and the receptionist made sure every patient noticed it. That moment crystallized an idea — what if you could create a business that sells credibility itself, both as a physical plaque and a digital badge that companies embed on their websites?
The Better Business Bureau already does something similar, generating millions by selling a simple accreditation image. Daniel saw the parallel immediately. "If there is a need for credibility, that's something that is there," he said. The challenge isn't the concept — it's making noise. "Making the noise is gonna get the eyeballs which is basically the supply, and then all you have to do is to just close the demand on a three hundred dollar a year plan."
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What you'll learn
- 1 (00:00) **Intro & Framing** - Greg introduces Daniel Dalen and sets up the format: brainstorming three startup ideas to get inside Daniel's thinking process.
- 2 (01:39) **Idea 1: Credibility Plaques & Badges** - Greg pitches a business that sells physical plaques and digital badges (like "Best Product of the Year") to companies for credibility, similar to the Better Business Bureau model.
- 3 (09:00) **Embeddable Businesses & Digital Real Estate** - Greg introduces "embeddable businesses" using his project Offer Button as an example, which owns real estate on other people's websites.
- 4 (22:22) **Building Products: The Car Analogy** - Daniel shares his core product-building philosophy: focus on what makes the car drive (core value) before adding bells and whistles.
- 5 (31:58) **Idea 2: "Log in with Influencer" & The Idea Maze** - Greg pitches an insight: using social status as a discount mechanism for e-commerce. Daniel critiques it, pointing out the risk of alienating 99.9% of customers.
- 6 (41:30) **Building on the Shopify Ecosystem** - Daniel explains why the Shopify/DTC ecosystem is a goldmine for founders, using his fulfillment business and investment in Instant as examples.
- 7 (51:39) **Build-to-Sell vs. Bootstrapped Freedom** - Greg contrasts the "slot machine" of building for acquisition with the "poker" of building a sustainable, cash-flow-positive business.
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Show Notes
Join me as I chat with Daniel Dalen, CEO and Founder of Ecomflow, as we explore various startup ideas and business opportunities, focusing on embeddable businesses and the Shopify ecosystem. We discuss the potential of credibility badges, analyzing both successful and unsuccessful business concepts while sharing insights on product development, aesthetics, and bootstrapping versus venture capital approaches.
Timestamps:
00:00 - Intro
01:39 - Startup Idea 1: Best Product Plaques for Credibility
09:00 - Startup Idea 2: Embeddable Businesses
31:49 - Startup Idea 3: Shopify ecosystem opportunities
45:53 - Building sustainable businesses
59:47 - Content creation strategy discussion
Key Points:
• Discussion of embeddable businesses and their potential in 2025
• Analysis of credibility badges/plaques as a business model
• Deep dive into Shopify ecosystem opportunities
• Insights on aesthetic vs luxury software products
1) First startup idea: "Best Product of Year" Certification Business
• Similar to Better Business Bureau model
• Sell digital badges + physical plaques to startups
• ~$200/year subscription model
• 99% margins, pure SaaS play
• Key challenge: Need massive distribution to create credibility
2) Second concept: "Embeddable Businesses"
• Greg built http://offerbutton.com as an example
• Place buttons/widgets on other people's websites
• Own digital real estate across the web
• Similar to "Sent with Superhuman" model
• Massive distribution potential through viral embedding
3) Fascinating insight on software categories:
Luxury Software is DEAD
Aesthetic Software is the FUTURE
• Users care more about design than status
• Example: People use Superhuman for its clean UI
• Shows they value design-thinking
• Growing trend in 2024+
4) On building Shopify apps:
• Massive opportunity in DTC ecosystem
• Need to deeply understand specific pain points
• Niche down (ex: CRO for specific industries)
• Can charge premium as money constantly flowing
• Avoid competing with Shopify's core features
5) Building mindset insights from Daniel Dalen:
• Bootstrap over VC if possible
• Focus on cash flow positive businesses
• Build with people who share your values
• Success = freedom to choose your projects
• Document over promote when building in public
6) Hot Take from Greg:
"The wealthiest people have the least amount of recurring meetings"
True wealth = control of your time
Automation over Meetings
Clear calendar = Clear mind
7) Key lesson on content:
Stop asking for likes/subs
Start asking for genuine feedback
Let quality speak for itself
Focus on documenting the journey
Real value drives real engagement
Notable Quotes:
"I feel like luxury software is old, and the new wave is gonna be aesthetic software." - Greg Isenberg
"The wealthies
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