Investing in Mental Health & Embracing Vulnerability with Andy Dunn

September 8, 2022

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The Cost of Silence: Andy Dunn on Mental Health, Entrepreneurship, and What Wealth Actually Means

Andy Dunn, founder of Bonobos, spent twenty years hiding a bipolar diagnosis from nearly everyone in his life. When he finally wrote about it in his book Burn Rate: Launching a Startup and Losing My Mind, he wasn't trying to inspire people. He was trying to stop being ashamed.

"I felt like the normal thing to do having dodged the bullet of almost anyone knowing about this would be to say nothing," Dunn says. "But the thing that I would be condoning if I did that was the fact that this has to be unspeakable."

The Asset and the Liability

Dunn's first manic episode hit in college. He was hospitalized, medicated, and released—and then everyone pretended it never happened. "Amongst my friends at Northwestern, we knew that it was like Fight Club. You never talk about Fight Club. The fact that it wasn't spoken about was to me a source of shame."

He spent a decade asymptomatic, suppressing the memory entirely. No medication, no doctor. Then, during the trials of building Bonobos and navigating co-founder conflict, he fell into a catatonic depression. A second major manic episode landed him at Bellevue in New York City. When he walked out, he was arrested for felony and misdemeanor assault.

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What you'll learn

1 (01:47) **Background & Cultural Identity** - Andy Dunn describes his mixed-race upbringing (Punjabi Indian mother, white Jewish father) and how it shaped his worldview
2 (13:48) **Path to Entrepreneurship** - Dunn explains how he walked away from a pre-med track and the family expectation of becoming a doctor
3 (22:31) **Redefining Wealth Beyond Money** - Dunn introduces a five-bucket model of wealth: financial, physical, mental, time, and social
4 (27:56) **The Bonobos Origin Story** - Two colliding insights: men's pants didn't fit well, and brands could be built on the internet
5 (31:26) **Would You Raise Venture Capital Again?** - Dunn says no, citing three major problems with raising too much money
6 (40:30) **The New DTC Playbook** - Dunn explains why the future of consumer brands is channel-agnostic
7 (46:15) **Why Write "Burn Rate"?** - Dunn explains the inspiration for his book about launching a startup and losing his mind

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Show Notes

Are you being honest with yourself? In today’s episode, we get vulnerable while sharing how upbringing impacts entrepreneurship, unpack why mental health is critical for businesses, and share the importance of embracing vulnerability. Host Sahil Bloom is joined by guest Andy Dunn, the co-founder of Bonobos, and the author of Burn Rate. Together they discuss the five buckets of wealth, share why you need to accept when you're wrong, and finally, they place their bets on the future of Direct-to-consumer brands in the bear market.

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SHOW NOTES

00:00 Sneak Peek

01:00 Introducing Andy Dunn’s Map of Reality