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5 min readIn a glass jar, Hannah Fry holds a small piece of barbed wire from the demilitarized zone between North and South Korea. It came from a gift shop—one that also sells wallets shaped like hand grenades and figurines of North Korean leaders. The DMZ, a four-kilometer-wide band of land that has been almost completely unoccupied by humans since the 1950s, is now a thriving ecosystem. Nobody can step foot inside because the entire zone is covered in landmines, so even conservationists cannot conduct proper surveys. Yet estimates suggest that 38% of Korea's critically endangered species live in that tiny strip. The abandoned paddy fields from the 1950s turned first to grassland, then to willow, and now to alder-dominated forests. There are boars, deer, and "vampire deer" that grow tusks instead of antlers. Rumors of leopards and tigers persist, though no tiger has been confirmed. The gift shop owners, Hannah notes, are "lobbying both countries very hard to keep this demilitarized" because their business depends on the status quo. But so does the ecosystem: if a peace treaty ever reunified Korea, it would be "completely devastating" for the nature that has reclaimed the zone.
The Spectrum of Exclusion Zones
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What you'll learn
- 1 (00:01) **Welcome & The DMZ Gift Shop** - Hannah reveals a souvenir from the Korean Demilitarized Zone, sparking a conversation about the bizarre economy of the world's most dangerous border.
- 2 (05:05) **Nature's Flourishing in the DMZ** - The conversation shifts from the gift shop to the unexpected ecological haven that the DMZ has become since humans were forced out.
- 3 (08:36) **Comparing Exclusion Zones: Chernobyl vs. Fukushima** - Hannah contrasts the DMZ with other human-made exclusion zones, highlighting the varying roles of radiation and time.
- 4 (12:05) **Radioactive Boars and Dragonflies** - A mistranslation leads to a story about the surprising levels of radiation in wildlife within the Fukushima exclusion zone.
- 5 (15:45) **Zone Rouge and the Legacy of World War I** - The conversation moves to a different kind of exclusion zone, one poisoned not by radiation but by the chemical remnants of industrial warfare.
- 6 (17:00) **The DMZ's Unique Purity** - Hannah explains why the DMZ is a special case among exclusion zones: it is a product of war, but not of chemical or radiological pollution.
- 7 (18:20) **A Hopeful Perspective on Human Extinction** - Hannah offers a philosophical takeaway: nature will survive humanity's self-destruction, which is a source of strange hope.
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Show Notes
What grows in the spaces humans are forced to abandon?
Hannah brings Michael an actual piece of barbed wire from the Korean Demilitarised Zone, one of the most heavily fortified and forbidden borders on Earth, and it sends them somewhere unexpected.
From deserted no man's land and radioactive exclusion zones to remote islands that most of humankind has quietly agreed to leave well alone, they explore the surprising ways life adapts to the damage we leave behind.
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