The Secret Spy Network: How Snowden Nearly Destroyed Everything (Ep 3)
August 16, 2026
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5 min readIn 2012, a Booz Allen Hamilton contractor named Edward Snowden walked out of an NSA facility in Hawaii with thousands of classified documents. What he revealed to the world was not just the scale of American surveillance, but the hidden architecture of a global intelligence alliance that had operated in near-total secrecy for decades. The Five Eyes—the US, UK, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand—had built a signals intelligence network so vast and so deeply integrated that when Snowden's leaks hit the Guardian, the director of GCHQ received a 2 a.m. phone call from NSA officials asking if he could somehow stop the story. He couldn't. And the alliance that had survived the Cold War, the Cambridge Five, and the chaos of the War on Terror was suddenly exposed to public scrutiny for the first time.
The Post-Cold War Drift and a New Purpose
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What you'll learn
- 1 (00:28) **Post-Cold War Drift & Budget Cuts** - The alliance loses its primary Soviet target and faces deep budget cuts, causing the partners to drift in different directions.
- 2 (08:53) **9/11: A New Purpose & The Dark Side** - The attacks provide a new mission against Islamist terrorism, but the US takes a much more aggressive, militarized approach that creates deep tensions.
- 3 (17:45) **The Maher Arar Case: A Partner's Information Used for Torture** - A Canadian citizen is renditioned to Syria and tortured based on intelligence Canada itself had provided to the FBI, which never met the threshold for arrest.
- 4 (24:30) **Reciprocal Compromises & The Iraq War** - The alliance survives these betrayals due to common purpose, but the Iraq War shows how intelligence can be politicized within the system.
- 5 (30:17) **Snowden: The Crisis of Public Exposure** - Edward Snowden’s leaks bring the secretive Five Eyes relationship into the global spotlight, revealing its scale and causing a major crisis of trust.
- 6 (38:30) **The Value of Geography in the Digital Age** - Snowden’s leaks also revealed why geography still matters, with the Five Eyes sharing a global Sigint infrastructure that the US cannot easily replace.
- 7 (42:09) **The Spying-on-Allies Question & Huawei** - Snowden raised the question of whether Five Eyes was used to bypass domestic spying laws, but the real subsequent tension came over Huawei and China.
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Show Notes
The Five Eyes are watching the world. But what happens when one eye is bigger than the other? And what happens when new threats emerge?
Listen as David and Gordon are joined again by author, journalist and filmmaker Richard Kerbaj, to explore the history of the Five Eyes intelligence sharing alliance.
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The Secret History of the Five Eyes by Richard Kerbaj
The Defector by Richard Kerbaj
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