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5 min readAmerica in Free Fall? Historian Jill Lepore on the US at 250
Jill Lepore does not want to have dinner with the Founding Fathers. "They're dead. They've been dead for a very long time," the Harvard historian says flatly. "They lived in an era where women died in childbirth. Your children all died of disease and malaria. I don't want to go back to that time." This refusal to romanticize the past is central to how Lepore thinks about the American present—a present she describes as "free fall off a cliff."
Lepore, whose book We the People won a Pulitzer Prize, is an unusual historian. None of her degrees are in history. She worked as a secretary at Harvard, wrote novels during the workday, and arrived at the study of the past through a sideways route: she was an ROTC cadet who left the military after concluding she could not ethically work on Reagan's Strategic Defense Initiative. Her interest in history, she says, is not about debates among historians over how to interpret moments of change. It is about "the relationship between the past and the present" and finding explanations that offer "a way for me to think about how to escape sometimes what feels like difficult present moments."
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What you'll learn
- 1 (02:25) **"We are in free fall off a cliff"** - Lepore states the current moment feels like a constitutional crisis and a free-fall.
- 2 (02:08) **Lepore's Unconventional Path to History** - She explains her non-traditional route from military service to becoming a Harvard historian.
- 3 (08:27) **Family History and America's Complicated Past** - Lepore connects her own immigrant family story to the nation's broader, often contradictory, history.
- 4 (11:30) **The Constitution as a "Living Document"** - Lepore introduces her book *We the People*, arguing the Constitution was designed to be amended, not static.
- 5 (16:14) **Why the Constitution is Nearly Impossible to Amend Today** - Lepore explains the "amendment drought" and its political consequences.
- 6 (20:04) **The President's Duty to Uphold the Constitution** - Mishal plays a clip of President Trump refusing to confirm he must uphold the Fifth Amendment, and Lepore responds.
- 7 (21:35) **The "Free Fall" Explained: Executive Power and the Impotence of Congress** - Lepore details the mechanisms driving the current crisis.
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Show Notes
For America’s 250th anniversary, the Pulitzer Prize-winning historian Jill Lepore joins Mishal Husain to take her through her book on the US Constitution.
We The People explores how the Constitution came about and, crucially, how there was an expectation that it would likely change over time.
This is not, however, an episode entirely set in the past, because Jill Lepore is acutely alive to the pressures of the moment and of the contested sense of what America is or should be.
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