What Horses, Death, and Nature Taught Me About Being Human | Kelly Wendorf

May 8, 2026

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Kelly Wendorf describes a life shaped by early immersion in nature, indigenous communities, and unexpected human connections that revealed what coherent presence can look like. In conversation with Chip Conley, she traces how those experiences informed her later work with horses, her understanding of midlife integration, and the practical demands of caring for a declining parent. The discussion centers on alignment rather than performance: how the mind quiets when a person becomes more congruent with their own nature, and how nature itself supplies the clearest feedback on that process.

Formative encounters with presence

Wendorf recounts spending childhood on archaeological sites and in kivas, where silence and direct contact with older landscapes left lasting impressions. At age seven in Ethiopia she was placed under the care of an Oromo warrior, Kabata, whose steady attention, playfulness, and willingness to show grief modeled a grounded form of masculinity. These encounters occurred without shared language yet transmitted a felt sense of safety and kinship with the world. She notes that such models stood in contrast to the social rules she later encountered in school, where she felt out of step. The distinction she draws is between presence that is enacted and presence that is merely described; only the former registers as trustworthy to a child or to a horse.

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What you'll learn

1 (00:00) **🎙️ Introduction: Callie Wondorf**
2 (01:35) **Early Life and Formative Influences**
3 (04:00) **Kabbata and the Power of Presence**
4 (10:00) **Living with Depth in a Shallow World**
5 (16:33) **Caregiving for a Dying Parent**
6 (28:44) **Rewilding and Returning to Wholeness**
7 (35:45) **Learning from Horses**

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Show Notes

What if the life you built… no longer feels like yours?

In this powerful episode, Kelly Wendorf joins Chip Conley for a raw conversation about loss, identity, and the moment everything shifts. From caring for a dying parent to rediscovering yourself through nature, this episode goes straight to the heart of what it means to truly live.

Here’s what you’ll take away:

Why success can still leave you feeling empty
How facing death reshapes how you see life
What “rewilding” really means and why it matters
How nature (and horses) reflect who you really are

If you’re going through a big shift, dealing with loss, or just feeling like something’s off—this one will really hit.

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Timestamps:

(05:13) Kelly’s early life

(06:52) Archaeological sites and sacred Kivas

(09:35) A warrior who redefined masculinity

(14:35) Challenges of depth and relationships

(21:06) Growing older and becoming whole

(23:14) Story of Kelly’s mother and final months

(36:29) What rewilding means

(40:15) Why nature helps transformation

(43:54) Lessons from horses

(49:12) Final wisdom and life lesson

(53:38) Closing thoughts and gift for listeners

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