Trump FIRES Bondi, CIA's "MK Ultra" History, and "Two Weeks" Talking Point, with John Kiriakou, Sean Davis, and Sohrab Ahmari | Ep. 1287

April 2, 2026

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Megyn Kelly discusses recent Trump administration personnel moves amid frustrations over performance and loyalty, ongoing developments in the Iran conflict, and a lengthy interview with former CIA officer John Kiriakou revealing agency history and operations.

Bondi Firing and DOJ Shortcomings

Reports emerged that President Trump is firing Attorney General Pam Bondi due to her handling of Jeffrey Epstein files, perceived lack of aggression against political enemies like New York AG Letitia James and ex-FBI Director James Comey, and failure to pursue indictments from the first Trump term, such as against John Brennan. Guests Sean Davis and Sohrab Ahmari criticized Bondi's Epstein PR stunts—including Fox News claims of a client list "on my desk" and handing empty binders to influencers at the White House—which backfired, eroding trust among Trump's "podcast bros" base and contributing to poll declines. Ahmari highlighted Bondi's DOJ sidelining antitrust chief Gail Slater, a MAGA populist tasked with challenging big tech and mergers like Hewlett-Packard Enterprise and Juniper Networks; Slater's deputy was fired, then Slater herself, enabling crony deals. Trump confirmed Bondi's exit via Truth Social, praising her but transitioning her to private sector; Deputy AG Todd Blanche becomes acting AG. Davis noted Trump's shift from seeking competence (Sessions, Barr) to pure loyalty,

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1 (01:26) **Trump Admin Shakeup: Bondi Firing Reports** - Megyn Kelly reports NYT story on Trump considering firing AG Pam Bondi over Epstein files and lack of aggression against enemies like Letitia James and Comey; Semaphore confirms her time is ending, possible Lee Zeldin replacement.
2 (02:39) **Tulsi Gabbard DNI Under Fire** - Guardian reports Trump polling advisors on replacing Gabbard due to her reluctance to condemn Joe Kent's resignation over Iran war opposition.
3 (03:36) **Guests React to Firings** - Sohrab Ahmari (UnHerd) and Sean Davis (The Federalist) join to discuss Bondi and Gabbard; Davis traces Trump's AG history from Sessions to Barr, prioritizing loyalty over competence.
4 (07:28) **Epstein Files Backlash** - Guests analyze Bondi's PR stunts like "list on my desk" clip and cabinet pivot to stock market; seen as proxy for shadow government accountability failure eroding Trump's base.
5 (08:33) **Bondi DOJ Antitrust Failures** - Ahmari details Gail Slater's ousting from antitrust unit despite populist mandate against big tech mergers like HP-Juniper.
6 (17:22) **Swalwell Tip-Off Rumor** - Daily Mail claims Bondi tipped Eric Swalwell on FBI docs re: Chinese spy Fang Fang due to friendship, angering Trump amid his CA governor run.
7 (24:14) **Tulsi-Joe Kent Iran Divide** - Discussion on restraint camp (Gabbard, Kent) vs. hawks (Levin, Graham, Cotton, Adelson) winning policy despite staffing losses.

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Show Notes

Megyn Kelly is joined by Sean Davis, CEO of The Federalist, and Sohrab Ahmari, U.S. Editor of UnHerd, to discuss reports that President Trump is about to fire Attorney General Pam Bondi, Bondi's challenges in handling the Epstein Files, Trump's reported frustration with the lack of prosecutions from the DOJ, reports Trump is considering firing DNI Tulsi Gabbard over her position on Iran, why Megyn hopes Gabbard doesn't leave, the implications for the coalition Trump built in 2024 if Gabbard leaves, and more. Then John Kiriakou, former CIA counterterrorism officer, joins to discuss the “two to three weeks” talking point that President Trump and Lindsey Graham are pushing about the Iran war, what really happens next with the war, the CIA’s “MK Ultra” origin story, the secrets of the CIA and FBI, why conspiracy theories are growing in a post-COVID world, how Israel tries to recruit CIA operatives, the influence Israel has on both Democrats and the GOP in Congress, how he got recruited into the CIA, the challenges of balancing marriages and relationships in covert CIA roles, and more.

Davis- https://thefederalist.com/

Ahmari- https://unherd.com/

Kiriakou- https://johnkiriakou.com/

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