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5 min readSteve Jobs in Exile
In 1985, Steve Jobs was pushed out of the company he co-founded, stripped of his role building the Macintosh, and exiled to a lonely office across the street that employees called "Siberia." He was thirty years old, worth over $100 million, and utterly lost. As biographer Tripp Mickle explains, Jobs had no identity outside Apple—no real friends, no family structure, no sense of self beyond being the co-founder who changed computing. What followed was a decade-long crucible of failure that nearly erased him from history.
The First Failure: A Monument to Genius
After leaving Apple, Jobs founded NeXT Computer with five poached Apple employees. He was determined to build the most advanced computer possible for universities and research labs—a machine powerful enough that "students in dorm rooms could cure cancer." But he immediately made the same mistake that had doomed the Macintosh: he insisted on total control over hardware and software, creating a closed system that the market didn't want.
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What you'll learn
- 1 (00:00) **Steve Jobs at Rock Bottom** - The episode introduces a rarely seen version of Steve Jobs, who was nearly forgotten and written out of history after his ouster from Apple.
- 2 (01:39) **The Coup and Ouster** - Jobs's difficult personality and failed plot to oust CEO John Scully, which resulted in his being pushed out of the company he co-founded.
- 3 (06:04) **The Wilderness Begins** - After being pushed out, Jobs spent a summer in Europe, his entire identity tied to Apple now gone, and he had to reflect on what went wrong.
- 4 (07:55) **NeXT: A Monument to Genius** - Jobs founded NeXT, poached top Apple employees, and immediately began spending extravagantly, starting with a $100,000 logo from Paul Rand.
- 5 (13:48) **The Reality Distortion Field** - Jobs hired people who would push back against him, but he often ignored their advice, believing his own vision would be enough to succeed.
- 6 (17:58) **Rock Bottom** - By 1993, NeXT was on the verge of bankruptcy, with Jobs refusing to kill the failing hardware division despite piling debts and poor sales.
- 7 (21:43) **The Hidden Gem: NeXT Software** - While the hardware was a failure, NeXT's software, based on object-oriented programming, was revolutionary and would become the foundation for the iPhone.
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Show Notes
We all know the Steve Jobs who came back in the late 1990s and saved Apple from becoming a footnote. And we've all heard the story of how, in 1985, he was pushed out of the company he'd created.
What we don't know is what happened in between.
Geoffrey Cain spent years reconstructing the decade Jobs spent outside Apple. NeXT spent years losing money. His co-founders left. His investors lost faith. His fortune nearly disappeared. At one point, he was a weekend away from shutting the company down.
Somewhere in those failures, Jobs learned how to become the leader Apple would eventually need.
This is Steve Jobs before he became Steve Jobs.
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Chapters:
(0:51) Why Steve Jobs Was Pushed Out of Apple
(3:04) Steve Jobs' Failed Coup Attempt to Oust CEO
(4:33) The Failure of Macintosh II
(8:27) Starting NeXT Computers
(9:34) The Story Behind NeXT's Iconic Logo
(11:38) A Perfect Cube: The Impossible Design of NeXTcube
(13:50) What Movies Get Wrong About Steve Jobs
(14:02) The Ultimate Trait Steve Jobs Looked For in Hiring
(14:59) Decision Making By Intellectual Combat
(16:40) Steve Jobs' Reality Distortion Field
(17:25) The Flaw that Almost Destroyed Steve Jobs
(21:25) How NeXT Software Changed Computing Forever
(24:44) Steve Jobs' Self-Sabotages at NeXT
(25:02) Ross Perot and Steve Jobs
(28:48) How Pixar Saved Steve Jobs from Bankruptcy
(29:19) The Realization Steve Jobs Had at Rock Bottom
(31:49) The Last Ditch Effort to Save NeXT Computers
(38:55) Steve Jobs Gets His Revenge
(43:09) Larry Ellison's Friendship with Steve Jobs
(45:05) How Steve Jobs Brought Out the Best in His Employees
(48:08) The Lessons Steve Jobs Learned From Failure
(50:08) Bill Gates and Steve Jobs Rivalry
(51:44) The Funniest Steve Jobs/Bill Gates Moment
(53:43) Steve Jobs Takes Over As Apple CEO
(57:08) How Meeting Laurene Changed Everything
(59:01) Rapid Fire Questions
(59:21) How Steve Jobs Inspired His Team
(1:00:31) Steve Jobs Medical Treatment
(1:01:42) What We Can Learn from Steve Jobs
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