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JRE MMA Show #183 with Rico Verhoeven

August 4, 2026

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Rico Verhoeven, the longtime Glory heavyweight kickboxing champion, walked into his boxing debut against the undefeated unified heavyweight champion Oleksandr Usyk and won ten rounds. Then he got stopped in the ninth. The stoppage, and the judges’ scorecards that had the fight even, remain the central, unresolved wound of the conversation.

The fight that was and the fight that wasn't

Verhoeven’s game plan was built on a simple observation: every orthodox boxer moves to the right against a southpaw, walking straight into Usyk’s power hand. So Verhoeven moved left. He used his size—260 lean pounds—to smother Usyk, throwing volume rather than hunting a single knockout. “Don’t try and hit him in the first two or three punches,” he explained. “Throw them, so we have something to look at and something to think about. And then we’re gonna get there.” By the time he got inside, Usyk had to deal with constant pressure and body work. Verhoeven’s trainer, Peter Fury, had drilled him into a proper boxing stance for six months, and it worked. Verhoeven was ahead on every expert’s card.

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What you'll learn

  • 1 JRE MMA Show #183 with Rico Verhoeven
  • 2 (00:42) **The Usyk Fight: Performance and Controversy** - Rogan calls the fight one of the craziest things he's ever seen, and they dive into the scoring and stoppage controversy
  • 3 (04:09) **Fixing Judging: More Judges and Transparency** - Discussion of systemic problems with combat sports judging and potential solutions
  • 4 (07:53) **Why No Rematch Talk?** - Rico and Rogan examine why a rematch with Usyk isn't being discussed despite the controversial outcome
  • 5 (16:06) **How the Usyk Fight Came Together** - Rico tells the full origin story of how he landed the opportunity
  • 6 (22:05) **Kickboxing's Untapped Potential in America** - Why the most exciting stand-up sport isn't huge in the US
  • 7 (28:36) **Vacating the Glory Title and Exploring Options** - Why Rico left his position as long-reigning champion

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Show Notes

Joe sits down with professional boxer, kickboxer, and mixed martial artist Rico Verhoeven.
www.youtube.com/@RicoVerhoeven  
https://ricoverhoeven.com











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