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5 min readTommy Lee, the legendary Mötley Crüe drummer, is deeply into bonsai trees—he owns specimens that are 100 to 300 years old, complete with paperwork tracing their lineage through generations. He trims them into artistic forms, and the trees respond by tightening up into weird shapes. This is the kind of detail that emerges when two longtime friends in combat sports sit down to talk, and it sets the tone for a sprawling conversation that moves from bonsai to aging athletes to the mechanics of obscure jiu-jitsu submissions, all while keeping a steady throughline: the physical toll of high-level competition and the strange ways the body adapts, breaks, and sometimes gets hacked back together.
The Reality of Aging and Healing
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What you'll learn
- 1 (00:16) **Tommy Lee and Bonsai Trees** - Joe and Matt recount Tommy Lee's appearance on the podcast, describing his youthful energy and passion for bonsai trees.
- 2 (03:30) **Aging, Rock Stars, and Groupies** - The conversation shifts to aging rock stars, their longevity, and the strange phenomenon of older celebrities having children.
- 3 (06:10) **Aging, Training, and Healing** - Joe and Matt discuss the realities of getting older, including slower healing and the need to train smarter.
- 4 (08:58) **Ad Break** - Advertisements for Create (creatine), ZipRecruiter, and FIFA World Cup on Netflix.
- 5 (11:24) **Healing, Training Smart, and Young Savages** - The conversation returns to the realities of aging in combat sports, focusing on recovery and training strategy.
- 6 (12:26) **Brady Hiestand's Domination and the 12-6 Elbow Rule** - The discussion shifts to a specific fighter, Brady Hiestand, and his dominant performance, leading to a critique of the 12-6 elbow rule.
- 7 (14:57) **Ben Askren's Comeback and Organ Transplants** - The conversation turns to Ben Askren's potential wrestling return and the risks associated with organ transplants.
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Guests on this episode
Show Notes
Joe is joined by mixed martial artists John Rallo, Matt Serra, and Din Thomas.
John Rallo owns Shogun Fights and is the owner and head coach of Ground Control Mixed Martial Arts Academy.
www.groundcontrolbaltimore.com
www.shogunfights.com
Matt Serra is a mixed martial artist and host of "UFC Unfiltered" with Jim Norton and "Geeking Out with Matt Serra." He is the owner and an instructor at Serra BJJ.
www.youtube.com/@MattSerraBJJ
www.serrabjjacademy.com
Din Thomas is a mixed martial arts analyst, actor, and host of "Din Thomas' Fight Court."
www.youtube.com/@FightCourt
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