Scopolamine, CIA Art, and the Weight of Too Much Information

Cody Tucker, the man behind one of the most relentlessly interesting Instagram pages on the internet, returns to the Joe Rogan Experience to explain how he operates. "I read so much and I'm a pretty quick reader," he says. "I'm in a perpetual rabbit hole. Constantly. All day, every day." This sets the tone for a sprawling conversation that moves from a Colombian zombie drug to a CIA official who stole $150 million, from the ethics of modern art to the question of whether Henry Ford was a Nazi sympathizer, and from the psychology of quitting to the impossibility of being alone with your own thoughts.

The Devil's Breath and the CIA's Missing Gold

The conversation opens with Tucker introducing Rogan to scopolamine, a drug he describes as a "delirient" that turns victims into compliant zombies. It is, he notes, the active ingredient in motion sickness patches like Dramamine—though in concentrated form, it can be blown into someone's face or touched to their neck, leaving them helpless while their belongings are stolen. Rogan is genuinely stunned. "That's the weirdest thing I've ever heard," he says. Tucker connects it to the folklore of zombies and the 1988 film Serpent and the Rainbow, suggesting the drug may be the root of those legends.