#2561 - LL Cool J

October 6, 2026

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LL Cool J was 16 when he signed with Def Jam, but the story of how he got there hinges on a crumpled rejection letter and his mother’s tax return. After sending demo tapes to labels that all came back with standard "we cannot use your material" notes, he found one of the letters balled up on a shelf and told his mother he was ready to quit. She took her tax return and bought him a Korg drum machine. He and a friend made a pause-tape—playing a beat, scratching over it, rapping on top—and sent it to Rick Rubin at his NYU dorm. Adam "Ad-Rock" Horovitz from the Beastie Boys heard it first, played it for Rubin, and Rubin called. LL Cool J went down to Five University Place, made a demo called "Catch This Break," and within days Def Jam had its first proper artist.

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1 Timestamped Outline
2 (00:17) **Opening Banter & First Impressions** - LL Cool J recommends sneakers and recalls meeting Joe at an NBC event in 1994
3 (02:10) **Getting Signed at 16** - LL Cool J recounts joining Def Jam as a teenager and the early days of hip-hop
4 (05:48) **Jiu-Jitsu, Humility, and the Celebrity Trap** - LL explains why starting jiu-jitsu at Brian Glick's gym is good for his soul
5 (13:57) **Reading, Philosophy, and Staying Curious** - LL discusses his love for books and how reading shapes his worldview
6 (17:09) **Discipline vs. Emotional Giving Up** - LL and Joe critique the modern tendency to celebrate emotional fragility
7 (19:04) **Getting Comfortable Being Uncomfortable** - LL shares the mindset of perseverance through difficulty

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Joe Rogan

Show Notes

LL Cool J is a Grammy Award-winning rapper, actor, and philanthropist. Look for him on "NCIS: New York," premiering October 6 on CBS and streaming the next day on Paramount+.
www.paramountplus.com/shows/ncis-new-york/
www.youtube.com/c/LLCoolJ
www.wearefamilyfoundation.org
www.llcoolj.com

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