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5 min readScott Horton, a longtime antiwar journalist and host of the Scott Horton Show, came to the Joe Rogan Experience with a sobering message: the United States has been running a self-defeating foreign policy for decades, built on a foundation of broken promises, neoconservative ideology, and a refusal to learn from its own mistakes. The conversation, recorded in the aftermath of the U.S.-Israel strikes on Iran in early 2025, is a deep dive into how Washington repeatedly provokes conflicts it cannot win, and why the American public rarely hears the full story.
The Neoconservative Blueprint and the "Clean Break"
Horton traces the roots of current U.S. foreign policy back to the early 1990s and the "Wolfowitz Doctrine," a post-Cold War Pentagon document that declared America would dominate every continent and prevent any rival power from emerging. This was not about building up the United Nations as a world government, Horton argues, but about establishing Washington D.C. as the sole global authority. The architects of this vision were the neoconservatives, a group Horton describes as a "cross between the Israel lobby and the military industrial complex."
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What you'll learn
- 1 (00:14) **Opening & Podcast Evolution** - Joe and Scott discuss the format of modern media, from radio to podcasting.
- 2 (06:41) **Scott's Intellectual Journey** - Scott describes how he moved from believing in "New World Order" conspiracy theories to a more nuanced understanding of American empire.
- 3 (14:11) **The Neoconservative Network** - Scott breaks down the ideological and financial connections between neoconservatives, the Israel lobby, and the military-industrial complex.
- 4 (20:14) **The "Harebrained Scheme" for Iraq** - Scott explains the neoconservatives' unrealistic plan for post-invasion Iraq and its catastrophic failure.
- 5 (30:52) **The Unfolding of the Ukraine War** - The conversation shifts to the background of the Russia-Ukraine conflict, focusing on U.S. provocations.
- 6 (46:57) **The Rand Corporation's "Extending Russia" Strategy** - Scott reveals a Pentagon-adjacent strategy designed to provoke Russia into overextending itself.
- 7 (55:08) **The Nord Stream Pipeline Sabotage** - The conversation covers the destruction of the Nord Stream pipeline and its strategic implications.
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Show Notes
Scott Horton is the director of the Libertarian Institute, host of “The Scott Horton Show,” co-host of “Provoked” with Darryl Cooper, and author of several books, the most recent of which is “Provoked: How Washington Started the New Cold War With Russia and the Catastrophe in Ukraine.”
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