#2477 - Rick Perry & W. Bryan Hubbard

April 1, 2026

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In a follow-up to their 2024 appearance, former Texas Governor Rick Perry and W. Bryan Hubbard, CEO of Americans for Ibogaine, detail the rapid progress in advancing ibogaine—a psychoactive alkaloid from the eboga shrub native to Gabon—as a treatment for addiction, PTSD, traumatic brain injury (TBI), and related conditions. They describe securing unprecedented state funding and building a multi-state coalition to bypass federal delays, emphasizing ibogaine's mechanisms, evidence from studies and personal cases, and the need for rigorous trials.

Ibogaine's Origins and Core Effects

Ibogaine, derived from the eboga shrub used for centuries in Gabon's Bwiti spiritual traditions, interrupts physiological substance dependence across opioids, alcohol, methamphetamine, cocaine, and tobacco. A single oral dose eliminates withdrawal and cravings in 48-72 hours for 85% of opioid users, rising to 98% with two doses—contrasting sharply with standard abstinence programs that take 18 months and succeed in single-digit percentages. Stanford functional MRIs show addicted brains normalizing in 72 hours post-treatment.

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1 (00:01) **Intro and Texas Ibogaine Update** - Guests recap 15 months of progress since last visit, announcing Texas's $100M full funding for Ibogaine FDA trials
2 (04:58) **What is Ibogaine?** - Definition: Alkaloid from Eboga shrub in Gabon, used in Bwiti traditions for centuries
3 (10:13) **Ibogaine for TBI and Veterans** - US Special Forces used it in Mexico for TBI-related depression/suicidality post-VA failures
4 (12:40) **Perry's Skepticism to Advocacy** - Former Gov. Perry shares shift from anti-psychedelic views shaped by 60s/80s drug war narratives
5 (21:52) **Opioid Crisis Context** - Blames Sacklers/Purdue for epidemic; endless war deployments worsened by VA opioids/alcohol
6 (36:48) **Broad Applications Beyond Addiction** - Resets trauma in sexual abuse survivors, first responders, pilots with moral injury, NFL CTE cases
7 (43:19) **Spiritual and Philosophical Dimensions** - Confirms human divinity; counters 1970s stigma; biblical/ancient psychedelic scholarship (burning bush DMT)

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Show Notes

Rick Perry is the former Governor of Texas and former U.S. Secretary of Energy. W. Bryan Hubbard is the Chief Executive Officer of Americans for Ibogaine, a public policy education and advocacy organization working to medicalize ibogaine in the United States.
www.americansforibogaine.org/joe

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