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5 min readThe End of the Old Order
Michael Shellenberger returns to the podcast in a moment of extraordinary global turbulence. The conversation opens with the U.S. bombing of Iran, an act Shellenberger says he did not see coming and that he believes marks a clean break with the entire post-1945 international order. "The older postwar era is just over," he says. "The older rules-based order is gone." He points to Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney articulating this at the World Economic Forum more clearly than the Trump administration has. The core of Shellenberger's argument is that Trump is acting as his own man, without the usual foreign policy establishment, think tanks, or congressional approval. "Trump is in charge," he says. "There's nobody behind him." The president is not following a grand strategy for regime change in Iran or Venezuela, Shellenberger argues, but rather asserting American power in service of American interests, with little concern for what comes next. "He's just acting," Shellenberger says. "That's what's so wild about it."
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What you'll learn
- 1 (00:15) **Opening: A New Foreign Policy Paradigm** - Shellenberger argues the Trump administration has abandoned the post-WWII rules-based order, acting unilaterally on Iran and Venezuela.
- 2 (07:28) **Iran Attack: Motives and Risks** - Discussion of the rationale behind the Iran strike and the potential for retaliation.
- 3 (14:35) **Reagan, Regime Change, and the Collapse of the Old Order** - Shellenberger draws a parallel to Reagan's anti-communist push, contrasting it with the current chaotic foreign policy.
- 4 (20:21) **AI, Nationalism, and the Cathedral** - Discussion of AI companies' rift with the DOD and the Trump administration's nationalist vision.
- 5 (25:24) **Open Borders, Voter ID, and the 2024 Election** - Analysis of the Biden administration's border policy and the debate over voter ID laws.
- 6 (31:48) **The Minneapolis ICE Raid and Organized Protests** - Breakdown of the chaotic ICE operation in Minneapolis and the shooting of Alex Prady.
- 7 (46:29) **Pathological Altruism and the Homeless Industrial Complex** - Shellenberger argues that progressive policies on homelessness are not empathic but pathological, creating perverse incentives.
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Show Notes
Michael Shellenberger is an author, journalist, and founder of Civilization Works. He is the CBR Chair of Politics, Censorship, and Free Speech at the University of Austin. His books include “Apocalypse Never" and “San Fransicko."
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