Monkey Business - Robin Dunbar, Dave Gorman and Jo Setchell
December 17, 2025
AI Summary
5 min readThe episode examines primate social and mating behaviors to understand parallels with humans, drawing on evolutionary psychology, anthropology, and direct observations of species such as mandrills and titi monkeys. Panelists Robin Dunbar, Jo Setchell, and Dave Gorman discuss how ecology, brain size, sensory signals, and cognitive skills shape relationship patterns, while weighing the limits of anthropomorphic interpretations.
Varied mating systems and ecological drivers
Primates display a wide range of relationship durations, from decades-long pair bonds to brief encounters. Titi monkeys form stable, relatively monogamous pairs that sit together and twine their tails, often remaining hidden except for visible tails in forest vines. Setchell explains that the prevalence of monogamy, polygamy, or multi-male arrangements depends on food distribution and the number of females that can coexist in one area. A single female may share her home range with one male and mate only with him, yet larger groups with abundant resources produce more chaotic mating access that no single male can monopolize. These patterns arise because each strategy offers different trade-offs in protection, predation risk, and reproductive opportunity.
Limits on social relationships
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What you'll learn
- 1 (02:11) **Show Introduction** - Brian Cox recalls childhood zoo confusion about monkey behavior and sets up the episode topic
- 2 (06:05) **Variety of Primate Relationships** - Jo Setchell describes the range from long-term pair bonds to brief encounters across primate species
- 3 (07:25) **Defining Romantic vs. Friendship Bonds** - Robin Dunbar explains why friendships in monkeys are easier to study than romantic relationships
- 4 (08:05) **Evolutionary Drivers of Mating Systems** - Discussion of how food distribution and female group size determine monogamy, polygamy, or chaos
- 5 (09:54) **Dunbar's Number and Brain Size** - Robin Dunbar links cognitive capacity to maximum meaningful social relationships (average 150)
- 6 (11:19) **Neuroimaging Evidence** - Experiments showing frontal cortex size correlates with social network size in humans and monkeys
- 7 (15:09) **Social Intelligence and Group Coordination** - How primates overcome "glass ceilings" in group size using grooming and mentalising
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Show Notes
In perhaps the monkiest Infinite Monkey Cage episode there’s ever been, Brian Cox and Robin Ince attempt to uncover the secrets of love, lust and friendship in primates. Swinging by to offer a hand (or tail) are evolutionary psychologist Robin Dunbar, anthropologist Jo Setchell, and comedian Dave Gorman.
Together the panel explores Dunbar’s number in monkeys – the idea that the number of friendships an individual can maintain correlates with brain size – with the very creator of the theory! They ask whether monkeys feel love the way we do, why some species remain strictly monogamous but others don’t, and what we could learn about ourselves through studying them. Robin goes bananas for bonobo fashion, while Dave couldn’t give a monkey’s about finding an aftershave to complement his natural smell.
Series Producer: Mel Brown Researcher: Alex Rodway Executive Producer: Alexandra Feachem A BBC Studios Production
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