Should NATO be pay-to-protect?

May 13, 2026

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In 2019, then-President Trump said at a campaign rally: "If they're not going to pay, we're not going to protect." That one line captures a fundamental shift in how the most powerful member of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization thinks about the alliance. Historian Heather Cox Richardson, who writes the newsletter Letters from an American, puts it bluntly: the postwar generation that built NATO wanted "to create a safe world for their children and grandchildren." Trump’s framing, by contrast, turns a mutual-defense pact into something closer to a protection racket.

The postwar bargain that built NATO

Richardson explains that the architects of the post-World War II order designed three pillars to prevent another global catastrophe. The first was economic integration—free trade and open markets that made it costly for countries to fight each other. The second was cultural exchange and shared values. The third was collective security. NATO embodied that third pillar, anchored by Article Five: an attack on one member is an attack on all. It has been invoked only once, after 9/11, when allies rallied to support the United States.

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What you'll learn

1 (00:13) **Introduction: The Strained US-NATO Relationship** - Hosts Adrian Ma and Wayland Wong frame the episode around President Trump's transactional view of NATO.
2 (00:40) **Historian Heather Cox Richardson on NATO's "Extraordinary Payoff"** - Richardson argues NATO is cheap compared to the cost of unilateral military action.
3 (02:40) **The Post-WWII Mindset That Created NATO** - Richardson explains the historical context behind the alliance's founding.
4 (03:30) **The Three Pillars of the Post-War Order** - The hosts and Richardson detail the systems designed to prevent another world war.
5 (04:29) **Trump's Transactional View: NATO as a "Subscription Service"** - The show pivots to the current crisis, framed by Nikki Akani, a NATO Defense College fellow.
6 (05:56) **NATO Is Not Netflix: The Two Funding Mechanisms** - Akani explains the actual structure of NATO's finances, debunking the transactional view.
7 (06:48) **The "Group Project" Analogy for Defense Spending** - Akani uses a school project metaphor to explain why spending percentage alone is misleading.

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Guests on this episode

Heather Cox Richardson

Show Notes

NATO was formed after World War 2 as a collective security alliance that would prevent future world wars. But President Trump sees NATO more like a transaction between countries where allies have to pay up or be left undefended. On today’s episode: How NATO is actually funded, why this longstanding alliance is under strain, and how the U.S. could pay the cost for these frayed relationships.

Fact checking by Sierra Juarez.

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