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It's come to this: Human certification in the age of AI slop

May 20, 2026

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🎙️ The Speakers & Context

  • The Format: Interview-driven narrative hosted by Planet Money reporters, built around a single founder case study.
  • The Key Players: Ned Hayes, novelist and former XML standards contributor at Microsoft, Adobe, and Intel, who applies interoperability logic to creative provenance. Corinne Tucker of Sleater-Kinney provides the artist-adopter perspective. Hosts Darren Woods and Waylon Wong frame the market test.
  • The Vibe: Reflective and technical, focused on infrastructure rather than hype.

🎣 The Executive Hook

  • The "One Big Idea": Human creators can capture a durable price premium by adopting a verifiable provenance standard that documents the labor of iteration, not merely the final artifact. Ned Hayes is building this standard through metadata analysis of drafts and keystroke histories rather than post-hoc detection.
  • Why It Matters: As generative models flood markets with low-cost content, platforms and consumers face rising search costs; a trusted “human” label functions like organic certification, shifting willingness-to-pay and forcing platforms to surface verified work.

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What you'll learn

  • 1 (00:00) **Ned Hayes and the AI threat** - Novelist confronts audience skepticism about human authorship at a reading.
  • 2 (02:41) **Origins of tech standards** - Lessons from 1990s web standards inform a new human-art certification.
  • 3 (03:37) **Conceiving the human seal** - Flash of inspiration for a "100% human" certification standard.
  • 4 (04:15) **Founding Human Intelligence** - Company built to verify artists through document history.
  • 5 (05:23) **Building acceptance** - Early outreach at book fairs and among artist networks.
  • 6 (06:01) **Corinne Tucker signs on** - Sleater-Kinney musician becomes a high-profile verified artist.
  • 7 (07:32) **Business model and market signal** - Artists pay for verification in hopes of premium pricing.

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Show Notes

In an era of AI slop, we find out how some artists are seeking out human verification for their work. Plus, we prove our own episode is 100% human-made.

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