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5 min read🎙️ The Voices & The Context
- The Format: In-depth interview with a journalist expert on Latin America and Trump policy.
- The Key Players:
- Guest: Jonathan Blitzer – New Yorker staff writer, author of Everyone Who Is Gone Is Here, known for profiling Stephen Miller and covering immigration, Central America, and Trump's regional actions.
- Host: Ezra Klein – Probing, skeptical interviewer pushing on motivations and risks.
- The Vibe: Intense and educational, blending geopolitical analysis with alarm over impulsive U.S. interventionism.
🗝️ Key Themes & Topics
The episode dissects Trump's 2025 capture of Venezuelan leader Nicolás Maduro amid boat bombings and regime pressure, questioning motives from oil grabs to immigration deterrence.
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What you'll learn
- 1 (00:00) **🎙️ Introduction: Jonathan Blitzer**
- 2 (03:30) **Who is Nicolas Maduro?**
- 3 (05:33) **Trump's Longstanding Focus on Maduro**
- 4 (07:20) **Oil Interests and Geopolitics**
- 5 (10:09) **Challenges Reviving Venezuelan Oil**
- 6 (11:20) **Stephen Miller's Role and Deterrence**
- 7 (13:38) **Marco Rubio's Ideological Drive**
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Show Notes
What is America doing in Venezuela?
On Jan. 3, the Trump administration launched an operation that ended with the capture of President Nicolás Maduro, who is now in New York City on narcoterrorism and weapons charges. “We’re going to run it, essentially, until such time as a proper transition can take place,” Trump said.
Mr. Trump’s policy here is strange for a number of reasons: The U.S. is suffering from a fentanyl crisis, but Venezuela is not known as a fentanyl producer. Venezuela’s oil reserves are not the path to geopolitical power that they might have been in the 1970s. Mr. Maduro was a brutal and corrupt dictator, but Mr. Trump has left his No. 2 in charge. And Mr. Trump ran for office promising fewer foreign entanglements — not more.
So why Venezuela, and why now? That’s the question we look at in this conversation.
Jonathan Blitzer is a staff writer at The New Yorker. He has profiled Stephen Miller and has been following the U.S. military’s drug boat strikes in the Caribbean, as well as the Trump administration’s evolving agenda in Latin America. He’s also the author of the book “Everyone Who Is Gone Is Here: The United States, Central America, and the Making of a Crisis.
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